Small rant + speculation

ilya80 · 04-15-2010, 01:36 PM

Okay that A850 is out. Not the best camera judging from spec but it is what I`m looking for - an affordable DSLR with APS sized sensor, with one serious flaw - not a KAF mount.

Anyway I think it would be possible for Pentax ( HOYA ) to purchase some of `em sensors from SONY and stick `em into some kind of body, I dont really care which, either K7 type or K10D type would do.

They cooperated before, K-x has SONY sensor. It might make sense for them to do it again, no?

**boriscleto** · 04-15-2010, 01:45 PM

Originally posted by ilya80

Okay that A850 is out. Not the best camera judging from spec but it is what I`m looking for - an affordable DSLR with APS sized sensor, with one serious flaw - not a KAF mount.

Anyway I think it would be possible for Pentax ( HOYA ) to purchase some of `em sensors from SONY and stick `em into some kind of body, I dont really care which, either K7 type or K10D type would do.

They cooperated before, K-x has SONY sensor. It might make sense for them to do it again, no?

Huh? You mean Full-Frame?

ilya80 · 04-15-2010, 02:46 PM

For sure I mean full frame. APS is just that.

jmbradd · 04-15-2010, 03:11 PM

Image sensor format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

omega leader · 04-15-2010, 03:22 PM

Many manufactures have sourced from Sony for years. They have been the defacto source for most everyone (excluding Canon).

Peter Zack · 04-15-2010, 03:31 PM

The K10D is a Sony sensor as are a few other Pentax DSLR's around that era. They will do it. The K-x is such a good camera that they won't have much choice than to raise the bar quite a bit on the next generation of bodies. I bet we'll see a K200D replacement later this year, followed by a FF K-7 replacement.

aleonx3 · 04-15-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

The K10D is a Sony sensor as are a few other Pentax DSLR's around that era. They will do it. The K-x is such a good camera that they won't have much choice than to raise the bar quite a bit on the next generation of bodies. I bet we'll see a K200D replacement later this year, followed by a FF K-7 replacement.

Peter, I tend to agree with your speculation; although I would have like to see a replacement for K-7 first before K-200D (if Pentax decide to make a K-7 clone but only with one dial and support AA battery - similar to K200D ergonomics).

jct us101 · 04-15-2010, 03:56 PM

Isn't the K-x using a Sony sensor too? I thought that's why the noise levels were so incredibly low on it. You're never going to get an APS-C sized sensor that equals the low noise levels of a full frame though, and if you're still hoping for a full frame Pentax, well, you might have wait quite a long time.

AOShep · 04-15-2010, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by aleonx3

Peter, I tend to agree with your speculation; although I would have like to see a replacement for K-7 first before K-200D (if Pentax decide to make a K-7 clone but only with one dial and support AA battery - similar to K200D ergonomics).

Why is everyone so hipe on AA batteries? I bought my K10D over the K100D primarily for the Lithium Ion battery. I want one battery I can change in a hurry and if I drop it, it won't roll away from me.

Peter Zack · 04-15-2010, 06:08 PM

Yes the K-7 was the Samsung sensor and the K-x is the Sony. It seems that the relationship with Samsung is over. The K-x sensor it excellent for the APSc format. Very goor at 3200 and not bad at 6400.

As for the AA batteries, I've got no issues with them. I used the K-x last weekend as my spare at a wedding and took around 500 shots with it on one set of Eneloops. I was testing the camera out and shot a lot with it and it performed well. I didn't need to change batteries. Yes you can change one dedicated battery faster but AA's can offer an advantage for someone that might need spares away from home.

chalion · 04-15-2010, 06:09 PM

AOShep: I bought my K100D because it was inexpensive & that it took AA batteries. Same with my K200D. Performance may suffer a bit when using rechargables, but I have a dozen or so usually fully charged for other electronic items (remote controls, flashlights, etc.).

The K20D I just got today is the first DSLR that uses a battery pack, so i'm itching to see how well it performs compared to my other 2 cameras. (Actually bought it for less than my K200D).

KungPOW · 04-15-2010, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by ilya80

For sure I mean full frame. APS is just that.

Generally, when people speak of "full frame" that is 135 format.

APS is approx 1/2 the size of full frame, and is the sensor found in all Pentax digitals.

**Rondec** · 04-16-2010, 04:28 AM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

The K10D is a Sony sensor as are a few other Pentax DSLR's around that era. They will do it. The K-x is such a good camera that they won't have much choice than to raise the bar quite a bit on the next generation of bodies. I bet we'll see a K200D replacement later this year, followed by a FF K-7 replacement.

I just don't know. I really forsee Pentax reusing the body of the K7 to put a different sensor in this fall and maybe some other tweaks (like the k10 to K20).
Then, next year launching full frame. But, a k200 replacement would basically kill the K7 which they can't do, particularly if the sensor is better. In a month or two, the K7 will be selling for 750 -- the price you would expect a K200 sequel to launch at. Maybe the K7 will be the new mid camera and the K8 will be slightly above it? I just don't know...

Mohawk · 04-16-2010, 04:43 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I just don't know. I really forsee Pentax reusing the body of the K7 to put a different sensor in this fall and maybe some other tweaks (like the k10 to K20).
Then, next year launching full frame. But, a k200 replacement would basically kill the K7 which they can't do, particularly if the sensor is better. In a month or two, the K7 will be selling for 750 -- the price you would expect a K200 sequel to launch at. Maybe the K7 will be the new mid camera and the K8 will be slightly above it? I just don't know...

Yawn, yet another FF dslr rant.

No, it ain't happening in Pentax land. So if you really really really want a 35mm sized sensor, and it's really that important to you, then go jump to C-N-S.

I find the prospect of a 645D, possibly 2nd or 3rd gen, so much more exciting.

veraikon · 04-16-2010, 06:17 AM

Originally posted by AOShep

Why is everyone so hipe on AA batteries? I bought my K10D over the K100D primarily for the Lithium Ion battery. I want one battery I can change in a hurry and if I drop it, it won't roll away from me.

Try to load a lithium battery pack in a region outside withaout eletricity supply . There are solar chargers for AA Batteries but not for lithium packs.
Try to buy a spare lithium pack - AA batteries you´ll get even in Timbuktu

04-15-2010, 01:36 PM	#1
ilya80 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Saint-Petersburg, Russia Photos: Albums Posts: 410	Small rant + speculation Okay that A850 is out. Not the best camera judging from spec but it is what I`m looking for - an affordable DSLR with APS sized sensor, with one serious flaw - not a KAF mount. Anyway I think it would be possible for Pentax ( HOYA ) to purchase some of `em sensors from SONY and stick `em into some kind of body, I dont really care which, either K7 type or K10D type would do. They cooperated before, K-x has SONY sensor. It might make sense for them to do it again, no?

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04-15-2010, 01:45 PM	#2
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by ilya80 Okay that A850 is out. Not the best camera judging from spec but it is what I`m looking for - an affordable DSLR with APS sized sensor, with one serious flaw - not a KAF mount. Anyway I think it would be possible for Pentax ( HOYA ) to purchase some of `em sensors from SONY and stick `em into some kind of body, I dont really care which, either K7 type or K10D type would do. They cooperated before, K-x has SONY sensor. It might make sense for them to do it again, no? Huh? You mean Full-Frame?

04-15-2010, 02:46 PM	#3
ilya80 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Saint-Petersburg, Russia Photos: Albums Posts: 410 Original Poster	For sure I mean full frame. APS is just that.

04-15-2010, 03:11 PM	#4
jmbradd Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Portland, OR Photos: Albums Posts: 325	Image sensor format - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

04-15-2010, 03:22 PM	#5
omega leader Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 417	Many manufactures have sourced from Sony for years. They have been the defacto source for most everyone (excluding Canon).

04-15-2010, 03:31 PM	#6
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	The K10D is a Sony sensor as are a few other Pentax DSLR's around that era. They will do it. The K-x is such a good camera that they won't have much choice than to raise the bar quite a bit on the next generation of bodies. I bet we'll see a K200D replacement later this year, followed by a FF K-7 replacement.

04-15-2010, 03:42 PM	#7
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by Peter Zack The K10D is a Sony sensor as are a few other Pentax DSLR's around that era. They will do it. The K-x is such a good camera that they won't have much choice than to raise the bar quite a bit on the next generation of bodies. I bet we'll see a K200D replacement later this year, followed by a FF K-7 replacement. Peter, I tend to agree with your speculation; although I would have like to see a replacement for K-7 first before K-200D (if Pentax decide to make a K-7 clone but only with one dial and support AA battery - similar to K200D ergonomics).

04-15-2010, 03:56 PM	#8
jct us101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Rohnert Park, CA Posts: 3,793	Isn't the K-x using a Sony sensor too? I thought that's why the noise levels were so incredibly low on it. You're never going to get an APS-C sized sensor that equals the low noise levels of a full frame though, and if you're still hoping for a full frame Pentax, well, you might have wait quite a long time.

04-15-2010, 05:47 PM	#9
AOShep Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Eastern PA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 293	Originally posted by aleonx3 Peter, I tend to agree with your speculation; although I would have like to see a replacement for K-7 first before K-200D (if Pentax decide to make a K-7 clone but only with one dial and support AA battery - similar to K200D ergonomics). Why is everyone so hipe on AA batteries? I bought my K10D over the K100D primarily for the Lithium Ion battery. I want one battery I can change in a hurry and if I drop it, it won't roll away from me.

04-15-2010, 06:08 PM	#10
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	Yes the K-7 was the Samsung sensor and the K-x is the Sony. It seems that the relationship with Samsung is over. The K-x sensor it excellent for the APSc format. Very goor at 3200 and not bad at 6400. As for the AA batteries, I've got no issues with them. I used the K-x last weekend as my spare at a wedding and took around 500 shots with it on one set of Eneloops. I was testing the camera out and shot a lot with it and it performed well. I didn't need to change batteries. Yes you can change one dedicated battery faster but AA's can offer an advantage for someone that might need spares away from home.

04-15-2010, 06:09 PM	#11
chalion Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: SE Pennsylvania Photos: Albums Posts: 628	AOShep: I bought my K100D because it was inexpensive & that it took AA batteries. Same with my K200D. Performance may suffer a bit when using rechargables, but I have a dozen or so usually fully charged for other electronic items (remote controls, flashlights, etc.). The K20D I just got today is the first DSLR that uses a battery pack, so i'm itching to see how well it performs compared to my other 2 cameras. (Actually bought it for less than my K200D).

04-15-2010, 11:06 PM	#12
KungPOW Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Vancouver, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,699	Originally posted by ilya80 For sure I mean full frame. APS is just that. Generally, when people speak of "full frame" that is 135 format. APS is approx 1/2 the size of full frame, and is the sensor found in all Pentax digitals.

04-16-2010, 04:28 AM	#13
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,652	Originally posted by Peter Zack The K10D is a Sony sensor as are a few other Pentax DSLR's around that era. They will do it. The K-x is such a good camera that they won't have much choice than to raise the bar quite a bit on the next generation of bodies. I bet we'll see a K200D replacement later this year, followed by a FF K-7 replacement. I just don't know. I really forsee Pentax reusing the body of the K7 to put a different sensor in this fall and maybe some other tweaks (like the k10 to K20). Then, next year launching full frame. But, a k200 replacement would basically kill the K7 which they can't do, particularly if the sensor is better. In a month or two, the K7 will be selling for 750 -- the price you would expect a K200 sequel to launch at. Maybe the K7 will be the new mid camera and the K8 will be slightly above it? I just don't know...

04-16-2010, 04:43 AM	#14
Mohawk Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 109	Originally posted by Rondec I just don't know. I really forsee Pentax reusing the body of the K7 to put a different sensor in this fall and maybe some other tweaks (like the k10 to K20). Then, next year launching full frame. But, a k200 replacement would basically kill the K7 which they can't do, particularly if the sensor is better. In a month or two, the K7 will be selling for 750 -- the price you would expect a K200 sequel to launch at. Maybe the K7 will be the new mid camera and the K8 will be slightly above it? I just don't know... Yawn, yet another FF dslr rant. No, it ain't happening in Pentax land. So if you really really really want a 35mm sized sensor, and it's really that important to you, then go jump to C-N-S. I find the prospect of a 645D, possibly 2nd or 3rd gen, so much more exciting.

04-16-2010, 06:17 AM	#15
veraikon Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Inside the Blue Banana ;) Posts: 255	Originally posted by AOShep Why is everyone so hipe on AA batteries? I bought my K10D over the K100D primarily for the Lithium Ion battery. I want one battery I can change in a hurry and if I drop it, it won't roll away from me. Try to load a lithium battery pack in a region outside withaout eletricity supply . There are solar chargers for AA Batteries but not for lithium packs. Try to buy a spare lithium pack - AA batteries you´ll get even in Timbuktu