Ricoh GR II Officially Announced

ogl · 06-18-2015, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by drypenn

Honestly, I can't imagine how much sharper we want this GR to be. At f/5.6, to my eyes it is as sharp as my DFA 100 WR at f/5.6.

I want sharp lens at 24 MP at f2.8 from corner to corner. Not 5.6 at 16 MP.

shaolen · 06-18-2015, 11:31 AM

I guess id put it this way. I don't think this upgrade is going to cause anyone who already has one to go get this one. I don't think it will really push new comers who felt the first one was missing a few components to now suddenly want it. I think if it had phase detect or better lowlight AF it would bring in way more people. Including me

---------- Post added 06-18-15 at 10:32 AM ----------

I would be looking at this as a replacement for k-01 as a portable aps-c

ogl · 06-18-2015, 01:07 PM

I think K-0* project is closed forever

drypenn · 06-18-2015, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by ogl

I want sharp lens at 24 MP at f2.8 from corner to corner. Not 5.6 at 16 MP.

16MP is good enough for a 20x30 print. If I think I'll need something bigger, I guess I should be seriously thinking of bringing my K3. (Or if I need something really bigger, then getting a 645.) The GR is a go anywhere camera, a snapshooter. 16MP is actually more than enough. Heck, back in 2004, we were all working with a 4MP camera!

Besides, a bigger sensor will require more power. As it is, many have already been complaining of its battery life. Additional resolution,=additional processing power which will require a bigger battery, then we would all be complaining again about its size!

Also, why would we require a tremendous amount of cropping with a 28mm? Surely, nobody's planning it to use for birding, no? :P

Last edited by drypenn; 06-18-2015 at 06:46 PM.

**monochrome** · 06-18-2015, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by ogl

I want sharp lens at 24 MP at f2.8 from corner to corner. Not 5.6 at 16 MP.

I guess you'll need to go somewhere else then.

ghostdog · 06-18-2015, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Painter

Welcome to the future, remember when film cameras were on the market for 10 years well this is the digital version of that. At some point the market will realize cameras are for taking pictures and stop looking for the next best thing.

Brilliant! I have that thought all the time. Thanks for putting it so eloquently.

jon404 · 06-18-2015, 08:25 PM

Does anybody know ... if the GRII has better dust sealing? The GR I bought at the end of 2013 got a lot of spots, and it didn't have the Pentax self-cleaning technology. Does it now?

---------- Post added 06-18-15 at 08:31 PM ----------

Originally posted by ogl

I want sharp lens at 24 MP at f2.8 from corner to corner. Not 5.6 at 16 MP.

Ogl, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you...

Seriously, would you agree that no camera is perfect? Although, maybe you would get that perfect corner to corner sharpness with a Leica... but, for $10,000 or so, you could take a LOT of vacations with your GR, sharpening the images in Lightroom, and laughing all the way tonthe bank.

ogl · 06-18-2015, 10:14 PM - **1 Like**

I think GR lens is good at f2.8 from corner to corner at 16 MP. And very good at f4. 24 MP has more demands for resolution.
In-camera GR 47 mm crop mode is a bit ridiculous. 5.7 MP.

I was ready to buy GRII before announcement and skipped GR. I had sold A12 28 GXR module and had been waiting for new GR more than 2 years.

Nothing is perfect, but they had 2 years to make better camera. Don't you think so?

cport · 06-18-2015, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

I guess you'll need to go somewhere else then.

But there is no other camera like this. I also think that 16MPix is more than enough. In the next generation I would be perfectly satisfied with AW and purely monochrome sensor.

ogl · 06-19-2015, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Adam

I got an e-mail about a Sony RX 100 IV (almost, $1000, yikes) with 4k video...at least there's been one development today! Agreed on the sensor.

Could we see FF GR next year? What do you think about it? Is it real?
Such camera could be smaller with 28/2.8 lens than RX1R and Leica Q and cheaper.

Adam · 06-19-2015, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Could we see FF GR next year? What do you think about it? Is it real?
Such camera could be smaller with 28/2.8 lens than RX1R and Leica Q and cheaper.

An affordable (<$2000) FF compact would be a compelling offering in my opinion. If Ricoh could make it pocketable, it would be very successful niche IMO.

**beachgardener** · 06-19-2015, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by ogl

Could we see FF GR next year? What do you think about it? Is it real?

Yes, hope so, a FF GR Mono

**Ash** · 06-20-2015, 05:12 AM

Good write up on the GR II here:
Ricoh Intros 16.2 GR II Compact Camera with DSLR-Size Sensor and Wi-Fi/NFC

**Tony Belding** · 06-21-2015, 04:26 AM

And then the DxO ONE appeared, and the GR II suddenly looks like something from the age of dinosaurs. That's not to say I don't see any possible shortcomings of the DxO ONE, but. . . It certainly is an eye-opener.

**todd** · 06-21-2015, 10:37 AM

dxo one would be interesting if not for requiring an iphone. that ruins it. I asked them and they said 'just a business decision'.not a smart one imo.

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06-18-2015, 10:36 AM	#16
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by drypenn Honestly, I can't imagine how much sharper we want this GR to be. At f/5.6, to my eyes it is as sharp as my DFA 100 WR at f/5.6. I want sharp lens at 24 MP at f2.8 from corner to corner. Not 5.6 at 16 MP.

06-18-2015, 11:31 AM	#17
shaolen Veteran Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 1,047	I guess id put it this way. I don't think this upgrade is going to cause anyone who already has one to go get this one. I don't think it will really push new comers who felt the first one was missing a few components to now suddenly want it. I think if it had phase detect or better lowlight AF it would bring in way more people. Including me ---------- Post added 06-18-15 at 10:32 AM ---------- I would be looking at this as a replacement for k-01 as a portable aps-c

06-18-2015, 01:07 PM	#18
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	I think K-0* project is closed forever

06-18-2015, 06:31 PM	#19
drypenn Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 963	Originally posted by ogl I want sharp lens at 24 MP at f2.8 from corner to corner. Not 5.6 at 16 MP. 16MP is good enough for a 20x30 print. If I think I'll need something bigger, I guess I should be seriously thinking of bringing my K3. (Or if I need something really bigger, then getting a 645.) The GR is a go anywhere camera, a snapshooter. 16MP is actually more than enough. Heck, back in 2004, we were all working with a 4MP camera! Besides, a bigger sensor will require more power. As it is, many have already been complaining of its battery life. Additional resolution,=additional processing power which will require a bigger battery, then we would all be complaining again about its size! Also, why would we require a tremendous amount of cropping with a 28mm? Surely, nobody's planning it to use for birding, no? :P Last edited by drypenn; 06-18-2015 at 06:46 PM.

06-18-2015, 07:31 PM	#20
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by ogl I want sharp lens at 24 MP at f2.8 from corner to corner. Not 5.6 at 16 MP. I guess you'll need to go somewhere else then.

06-18-2015, 07:44 PM	#21
ghostdog Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 48	Originally posted by Painter Welcome to the future, remember when film cameras were on the market for 10 years well this is the digital version of that. At some point the market will realize cameras are for taking pictures and stop looking for the next best thing. Brilliant! I have that thought all the time. Thanks for putting it so eloquently.

06-18-2015, 08:25 PM	#22
jon404 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 696	Does anybody know ... if the GRII has better dust sealing? The GR I bought at the end of 2013 got a lot of spots, and it didn't have the Pentax self-cleaning technology. Does it now? ---------- Post added 06-18-15 at 08:31 PM ---------- Originally posted by ogl I want sharp lens at 24 MP at f2.8 from corner to corner. Not 5.6 at 16 MP. Ogl, there's a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you... Seriously, would you agree that no camera is perfect? Although, maybe you would get that perfect corner to corner sharpness with a Leica... but, for $10,000 or so, you could take a LOT of vacations with your GR, sharpening the images in Lightroom, and laughing all the way tonthe bank.

06-18-2015, 10:14 PM - 1 Like	#23
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	I think GR lens is good at f2.8 from corner to corner at 16 MP. And very good at f4. 24 MP has more demands for resolution. In-camera GR 47 mm crop mode is a bit ridiculous. 5.7 MP. I was ready to buy GRII before announcement and skipped GR. I had sold A12 28 GXR module and had been waiting for new GR more than 2 years. Nothing is perfect, but they had 2 years to make better camera. Don't you think so?

06-18-2015, 10:45 PM	#24
cport Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 428	Originally posted by monochrome I guess you'll need to go somewhere else then. But there is no other camera like this. I also think that 16MPix is more than enough. In the next generation I would be perfectly satisfied with AW and purely monochrome sensor.

06-19-2015, 10:06 AM	#25
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Adam I got an e-mail about a Sony RX 100 IV (almost, $1000, yikes) with 4k video...at least there's been one development today! Agreed on the sensor. Could we see FF GR next year? What do you think about it? Is it real? Such camera could be smaller with 28/2.8 lens than RX1R and Leica Q and cheaper.

06-19-2015, 09:45 PM	#27
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,842	Originally posted by ogl Could we see FF GR next year? What do you think about it? Is it real? Yes, hope so, a FF GR Mono

06-20-2015, 05:12 AM	#28
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Good write up on the GR II here: Ricoh Intros 16.2 GR II Compact Camera with DSLR-Size Sensor and Wi-Fi/NFC

06-21-2015, 04:26 AM	#29
Tony Belding Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Hamilton, Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 787	And then the DxO ONE appeared, and the GR II suddenly looks like something from the age of dinosaurs. That's not to say I don't see any possible shortcomings of the DxO ONE, but. . . It certainly is an eye-opener.

06-21-2015, 10:37 AM	#30
todd Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,799	dxo one would be interesting if not for requiring an iphone. that ruins it. I asked them and they said 'just a business decision'.not a smart one imo.