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06-15-2019, 11:23 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by TedH42 Quote
But the manual says nothing at the USEFUL pages (110, 152) that I pointed out. I use the "mounted disk" method of access, so using an extra "app" is a foreign thing to me. Copy to computer, then process in Photoshop. Finder should be able to pick up all "disks". Ricoh does not inform me that Macs may be defective, and their camera may require workarounds (none of the "Pentax" cameras do) to work with a standard Mac, so I think maybe my camera is broken, and have to go online to discover that information is lacking for my performing the transfer.

A confusing part is that plugging in the camera via USB puts it in playback mode, as expected, so the camera knows about the computer connection, then it just sits there with NO indication that anything is wrong. The Mac also just sits there, not knowing anything is happening. Looks like something is wrong, maybe broken. Try several cables, several Macs - all the same result. So I come here to find the missing information.

The specs using the term "MTP" conveyed no meaning to me, and I was not aware that other standards might be in use for accessing files on cameras. I have not been following the phone-based additions to standards (retired from a career in data communications), so having the camera-computer transfer mechanism that has been working for me for years be broken by Ricoh selecting a standard that is not compatible with what has worked with Macs for all those years was quite a confusing surprise. I'm sure that you see my point.

That's all.
Using a Mac (as I do several times a week), you're used to this, Ted - in fact you're expected to put up with it.



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Media Tranfer Protocol is Android's data protocol, not an industry standard. If it were an ISO protocol Apple's Finder would support it. If you plug in via USB an Android device like a Samsung Galaxy S8 Finder is not going to see it as a drive. Does that make it Samsung's problem?

Back in the 90s when Macs were using SCSI drives if I hooked up let's say a LaCie external drive that had been initialized for use on a Mac to my Windows PC I couldn't access the data on the drive unless I either networked a Mac to my PC or installed the Apple Share drivers from Apple. Was that a LaCIe problem? If I pulled a Quantum SCSI drive out of a Mac and mounted the drive in my Windows PC on a SCSI card I wouldn't be able to read the data without Apple Share. Was that a Quantum problem?

Apple wants to sell you Apple devices and apps, not Android.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Not a Number Quote
Media Tranfer Protocol is Android's data protocol
It isn't.

It's origin is as a Windows protocol, but lots of brands use it, it is an industry standard - a defacto standard, not a dejure one.

So are FAT and NTFS, both supported to varying degrees by the Finder.
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QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
Using a Mac (as I do several times a week), you're used to this, Ted - in fact you're expected to put up with it.
Not just Apple. Back in the '70s, when I started in computer-based products, I adopted the slogan, for any computer system, "It all sucks, let's get the job done." This was always applicable to all development environments, system code that we built on, hardware that we had to use, etc. But we did the job. Oh, I never used Apple products in my professional career. Just at home, where it sucks more and more with time. I've used Windows a fair amount at work, and many other systems most have never heard of. All systems have their brand of suckage. Just have to get over it and do what needs to be done.

Oh, defacto standards are a great source of suckage, where systems don't talk to each other. Seen that so many times.

Enough war stories.

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