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tbelf · 09-07-2021, 11:34 PM - **1 Like**

RICOH GR IIIx:A high-end digital compact camera, featuring a newly developed GR lens for high-quality street photography at a standard viewing angle?RICOH IMAGING

New, or am I missing something?

shyrsio · 09-08-2021, 12:58 AM

It is new! Too bad for the sensor size though...

Vendee · 09-08-2021, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by tbelf

RICOH GR IIIx:A high-end digital compact camera, featuring a newly developed GR lens for high-quality street photography at a standard viewing angle?RICOH IMAGING

New, or am I missing something?

Definitely new and very interesting. I guess they must have read my previous post here on PF New GRIII variant (wishing) - PentaxForums.com Looks like a standard GRIII with a 40mm lens.

I'm not sure that as an existing GRIII owner, I'd buy the GRIIIx because the 40mm lens is too close to the original 28mm but I wouldn't rule it out.

---------- Post added 09-08-21 at 09:01 AM ----------

Originally posted by shyrsio

It is new! Too bad for the sensor size though...

Not sure I understand what you mean about the sensor? I love the sensor on the GRIII.

**BigMackCam** · 09-08-2021, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by shyrsio

It is new! Too bad for the sensor size though...

For the dimensions of the camera, APS-C is a BIG sensor. Try fitting a 35mm "full frame" sensor in that same body - along with all the associated electronics - and get back to us?

D1N0 · 09-08-2021, 06:30 AM

This must be the worst product launch ever.... Just putting up a news item on the site. (Ow and they sent copies to Kai and Lok)

You Tube

**EssJayEff** · 09-08-2021, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

This must be the worst product launch ever.... Just putting up a news item on the site. (Ow and they sent copies to Kai and Lok)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_TFBDr1WM

That's because Ricoh is not like Fujifilm. I watched the Kai video early this morning; generally supportive. Nothing yet on DPR, Petapixel, fstoppers . . .

**BigMackCam** · 09-08-2021, 07:01 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Vendee

I'm not sure that as an existing GRIII owner, I'd buy the GRIIIx because the 40mm lens is too close to the original 28mm but I wouldn't rule it out

The difference in field of view between 28 and 40mm equivalent is very significant.

I'm not a wide-angle guy (well, not often), so the GRIII's 18.3mm lens wouldn't have a great deal of utility for me... but 28mm is one of my favourite and most-used focal lengths on APS-C. I think I'd have a ball with this new GRIIIx.

I have enough cameras and lenses, though. Of course, I could always enjoy one more, but justifying the expense is another matter entirely

Last edited by BigMackCam; 09-08-2021 at 07:28 AM.

house · 09-08-2021, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

This must be the worst product launch ever.... Just putting up a news item on the site. (Ow and they sent copies to Kai and Lok)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_TFBDr1WM

Surprising choice indeed. It could be a good idea though. Not that you get any info about the camera from them but they have reach I imagine. Lack of info could build curiosity.

There's also a live talk. Japanese only.

stevebrot · 09-08-2021, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

The difference in field of view between 28 and 40mm equivalent is very significant.

I concur. Anyone who has shot a 28mm lens (42mm equivalent) on APS-C will tell you that the view is not really very wide and much more focused than 28mm equivalent.

Steve

**caliscouser** · 09-08-2021, 09:48 AM

Good move by Ricoh. Relatively low cost R+D, new lens formula on an existing high margin platform.
It will be more of a niche product than the regular GR III, but exploiting niches is where the market is heading.
The marketing rollout is completely botched, but hey it's Ricoh. Nevertheless, this will sell to those in the know anyway.

tbelf · 09-08-2021, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by BigMackCam

The difference in field of view between 28 and 40mm equivalent is very significant.

I'm not a wide-angle guy (well, not often), so the GRIII's 18.3mm lens wouldn't have a great deal of utility for me... but 28mm is one of my favourite and most-used focal lengths on APS-C. I think I'd have a ball with this new GRIIIx.

I have enough cameras and lenses, though. Of course, I could always enjoy one more, but justifying the expense is another matter entirely

I often find myself cropping my GRIII images, sometimes quite heavily ~ that's one of this things I love about having good quality files to start with. Though 40mm equiv. would make a lot of sense to me, I'd rather crop and have the versatility when I get caught out.

A GRIII Y though... 60mm equiv. 2.8, crop-able to 90mm equiv, if not further...

**EssJayEff** · 09-08-2021, 10:36 AM

I guess the announcement isn't newsy enough for their U.S. News webpage: News - Ricoh . . . yet the camera is featured on their main UK webpage: UK Website Store.

thegeaba · 09-08-2021, 12:15 PM

* A firmware upgrade for the RICOH GR III will be provided soon. GR III users are advised to update the camera's firmware to use these tools.

so,we all get new firmware?

Vendee · 09-08-2021, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

I concur. Anyone who has shot a 28mm lens (42mm equivalent) on APS-C will tell you that the view is not really very wide and much more focused than 28mm equivalent.

Steve

Different..... yes, but not hugely different IMHO. The GRIII can already shoot at 35mm and 50mm, effectively a crop with loss of megapixels.

I think we all have to wait and see how good the lens is. The GRIII lens is wicked. If the GRIIIx lens is as good then Ricoh are on to a winner. If the GRIIIx had a 50mm equiv lens then I'd probably buy one tomorrow, ditch my FF DSLR and just carry a pair of GRIII's with me. I've got tons of money tied up in Canon DSLR gear but I'm tired of carrying it about with me. The GRIII has been a game changer for me. Almost (but not quite) FF performance that fits in your pocket and delivers great images.

**BigMackCam** · 09-08-2021, 01:42 PM

Originally posted by Vendee

Different..... yes, but not hugely different IMHO.

The difference in field of view between the GRIII and GRIIIx will be very similar to the difference in shooting a 28mm lens on a full frame K-1 and an APS-C K-3. Most folks would consider that a big change in field of view... but I guess it's subjective.

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09-08-2021, 12:58 AM	#2
shyrsio Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Tirana Posts: 780	It is new! Too bad for the sensor size though...

09-08-2021, 12:58 AM	#3
Vendee Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 1,134	Originally posted by tbelf RICOH GR IIIx:A high-end digital compact camera, featuring a newly developed GR lens for high-quality street photography at a standard viewing angle?RICOH IMAGING New, or am I missing something? Definitely new and very interesting. I guess they must have read my previous post here on PF New GRIII variant (wishing) - PentaxForums.com Looks like a standard GRIII with a 40mm lens. I'm not sure that as an existing GRIII owner, I'd buy the GRIIIx because the 40mm lens is too close to the original 28mm but I wouldn't rule it out. ---------- Post added 09-08-21 at 09:01 AM ---------- Originally posted by shyrsio It is new! Too bad for the sensor size though... Not sure I understand what you mean about the sensor? I love the sensor on the GRIII.

09-08-2021, 02:50 AM	#4
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,705	Originally posted by shyrsio It is new! Too bad for the sensor size though... For the dimensions of the camera, APS-C is a BIG sensor. Try fitting a 35mm "full frame" sensor in that same body - along with all the associated electronics - and get back to us?

09-08-2021, 06:50 AM	#6
EssJayEff Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: near Saxapahaw, NC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 976	Originally posted by D1N0 This must be the worst product launch ever.... Just putting up a news item on the site. (Ow and they sent copies to Kai and Lok) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_TFBDr1WM That's because Ricoh is not like Fujifilm. I watched the Kai video early this morning; generally supportive. Nothing yet on DPR, Petapixel, fstoppers . . .

09-08-2021, 07:01 AM - 1 Like	#7
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,705	Originally posted by Vendee I'm not sure that as an existing GRIII owner, I'd buy the GRIIIx because the 40mm lens is too close to the original 28mm but I wouldn't rule it out The difference in field of view between 28 and 40mm equivalent is very significant. I'm not a wide-angle guy (well, not often), so the GRIII's 18.3mm lens wouldn't have a great deal of utility for me... but 28mm is one of my favourite and most-used focal lengths on APS-C. I think I'd have a ball with this new GRIIIx. I have enough cameras and lenses, though. Of course, I could always enjoy one more, but justifying the expense is another matter entirely Last edited by BigMackCam; 09-08-2021 at 07:28 AM.

09-08-2021, 07:14 AM	#8
house Pentaxian Join Date: May 2015 Photos: Albums Posts: 3,306	Originally posted by D1N0 This must be the worst product launch ever.... Just putting up a news item on the site. (Ow and they sent copies to Kai and Lok) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W_TFBDr1WM Surprising choice indeed. It could be a good idea though. Not that you get any info about the camera from them but they have reach I imagine. Lack of info could build curiosity. There's also a live talk. Japanese only.

09-08-2021, 09:22 AM	#9
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by BigMackCam The difference in field of view between 28 and 40mm equivalent is very significant. I concur. Anyone who has shot a 28mm lens (42mm equivalent) on APS-C will tell you that the view is not really very wide and much more focused than 28mm equivalent. Steve

09-08-2021, 09:48 AM	#10
caliscouser Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: SF Bay Area, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,037	Good move by Ricoh. Relatively low cost R+D, new lens formula on an existing high margin platform. It will be more of a niche product than the regular GR III, but exploiting niches is where the market is heading. The marketing rollout is completely botched, but hey it's Ricoh. Nevertheless, this will sell to those in the know anyway.

09-08-2021, 10:00 AM	#11
tbelf Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Cambridge Posts: 93 Original Poster	Originally posted by BigMackCam The difference in field of view between 28 and 40mm equivalent is very significant. I'm not a wide-angle guy (well, not often), so the GRIII's 18.3mm lens wouldn't have a great deal of utility for me... but 28mm is one of my favourite and most-used focal lengths on APS-C. I think I'd have a ball with this new GRIIIx. I have enough cameras and lenses, though. Of course, I could always enjoy one more, but justifying the expense is another matter entirely I often find myself cropping my GRIII images, sometimes quite heavily ~ that's one of this things I love about having good quality files to start with. Though 40mm equiv. would make a lot of sense to me, I'd rather crop and have the versatility when I get caught out. A GRIII Y though... 60mm equiv. 2.8, crop-able to 90mm equiv, if not further...

09-08-2021, 10:36 AM	#12
EssJayEff Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: near Saxapahaw, NC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 976	I guess the announcement isn't newsy enough for their U.S. News webpage: News - Ricoh . . . yet the camera is featured on their main UK webpage: UK Website Store.

09-08-2021, 12:15 PM	#13
thegeaba Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Posts: 54	* A firmware upgrade for the RICOH GR III will be provided soon. GR III users are advised to update the camera's firmware to use these tools. so,we all get new firmware?

09-08-2021, 12:46 PM	#14
Vendee Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 1,134	Originally posted by stevebrot I concur. Anyone who has shot a 28mm lens (42mm equivalent) on APS-C will tell you that the view is not really very wide and much more focused than 28mm equivalent. Steve Different..... yes, but not hugely different IMHO. The GRIII can already shoot at 35mm and 50mm, effectively a crop with loss of megapixels. I think we all have to wait and see how good the lens is. The GRIII lens is wicked. If the GRIIIx lens is as good then Ricoh are on to a winner. If the GRIIIx had a 50mm equiv lens then I'd probably buy one tomorrow, ditch my FF DSLR and just carry a pair of GRIII's with me. I've got tons of money tied up in Canon DSLR gear but I'm tired of carrying it about with me. The GRIII has been a game changer for me. Almost (but not quite) FF performance that fits in your pocket and delivers great images.

09-08-2021, 01:42 PM	#15
BigMackCam Digitiser of Film Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: North East of England Posts: 20,705	Originally posted by Vendee Different..... yes, but not hugely different IMHO. The difference in field of view between the GRIII and GRIIIx will be very similar to the difference in shooting a 28mm lens on a full frame K-1 and an APS-C K-3. Most folks would consider that a big change in field of view... but I guess it's subjective.

Griii x

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