Pentax Full Frame - An official statement from Pentax (they listened!)

Anvh · 11-30-2011, 08:48 AM

This discrimination, if it was a male it wouldn't give so much commotion!
They are just breasts, what's wrong with them?
Or is the lingery to sexy?

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

See, now you may understand why I want APS-H

Would like that too but the problem is who make APS-H size sensors these days?
I think an FF camera can be made for almost the same price because of that.

Anvh · 11-30-2011, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by jeztastic

As far as I can see we're all European, including the guy who posted it. I think it's a great photo, but not the kind of thing a boss would easily turn a blind eye to, anywhere in the world!

Since when do you lot want to be called European?

RonHendriks1966 · 11-30-2011, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

Which one is the USA and which one is Europe?

So funny. I guess the biggest one must be USA.

falconeye · 11-30-2011, 09:08 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Clavius

Isn't this forum moderated for that? I see the offending picture is still there.

AFAIK, the photo didn't offend anybody. The fact you browsed a photo forum at work was the offense, as far as I can see.

Pentaxor · 11-30-2011, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

AFAIK, the photo didn't offend anybody. The fact you browsed a photo forum at work was the offense, as far as I can see.

what is so offensive about FF ? is it illegal to have FF?

MrPetkus · 11-30-2011, 09:41 AM

Nikon just announced an upgrade to their flagship flash - the SB-910. Here's a company (albeit with much greater resources) that is continually improving their entire ecosystem, not just bodies. Everyone here wants a FF (and yes, APS-H - please don't re-post the whole 2 body solution displaying the K5 and grip). Pentax needs a new flash system, longer lenses, and better AF or their FF will be an epic fail. Unless, of course, it's priced ridiculously cheap. But given the high price of the K5 at launch and the current price inflation, it seems unlikely that will be the case.

jsherman999 · 11-30-2011, 09:42 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Pentaxor

what is so offensive about FF ? is it illegal to have FF?

One type of FF is just (wonderful) anatomy, one type is the format for the future Pentax flagship DSLR (

), and the final type (Front Focus) should be illegal.

(and if you're browsing PF at work, the risk is yours. At least that was much better than certain types of squirrel anatomy, in close-up.)

.

Winder · 11-30-2011, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Nope, I accessed this page from the very liberal Holland. But accessing this page during my lunchbreak at my work at the very conservative Japanese company (Ricoh), scared the *** out of me.

Isn't this forum moderated for that? I see the offending picture is still there.

I'm not sure I understand what is offensive about cleavage? There is no nudity and and most swimsuits show way more than that.

Clavius · 11-30-2011, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by falconeye

AFAIK, the photo didn't offend anybody. The fact you browsed a photo forum at work was the offense, as far as I can see.

So now you're dictating our internal office rules?

It's generally accepted to surf to safe websites during one's lunchbreak. Sadly, this site can no longer be considered safe for work.

I assumed this site had some sort of policy around sfw/nsfw content, due to the nsfw-tags in the galleries.

Sol Invictus · 11-30-2011, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by MrPetkus

Nikon just announced an upgrade to their flagship flash - the SB-910. Here's a company (albeit with much greater resources) that is continually improving their entire ecosystem, not just bodies. Everyone here wants a FF (and yes, APS-H - please don't re-post the whole 2 body solution displaying the K5 and grip). Pentax needs a new flash system, longer lenses, and better AF or their FF will be an epic fail. Unless, of course, it's priced ridiculously cheap. But given the high price of the K5 at launch and the current price inflation, it seems unlikely that will be the case.

I think you nailed it! Pentax currently doesn't have the ecosystem to support and entice photographers with an FF camera. I have no doubt that if they released one, it would be a wonderful camera, however unless they support it with the things you mentioned, outside of a core of Pentax lovers, the camera would be a flop.

Don't get me wrong though, I still want them to pursue the FF avenue, I just hope they do in a way that encompasses the whole ecosystem. Hopefully with the backing of Ricoh this is a possibility.

Pentaxor · 11-30-2011, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

So now you're dictating our internal office rules?

It's generally accepted to surf to safe websites during one's lunchbreak. Sadly, this site can no longer be considered safe for work.

I assumed this site had some sort of policy around sfw/nsfw content, due to the nsfw-tags in the galleries.

there are policies. usually NSFW are censored materials. my advice is just be careful when browsing this site as the person behind you might have a different policy with what is SFW and NSFW.

Macario · 11-30-2011, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by MrPetkus

Nikon just announced an upgrade to their flagship flash - the SB-910. Here's a company (albeit with much greater resources) that is continually improving their entire ecosystem, not just bodies. Everyone here wants a FF (and yes, APS-H - please don't re-post the whole 2 body solution displaying the K5 and grip). Pentax needs a new flash system, longer lenses, and better AF or their FF will be an epic fail. Unless, of course, it's priced ridiculously cheap. But given the high price of the K5 at launch and the current price inflation, it seems unlikely that will be the case.

Why does everybody keep on complaining about the AF of the K-5. There have been tests that the AF of the K-5 is the most accurate of the APS-C cameras at the moment.
I bet if the Nikon now had the AF system of the K-5, everybody would praise it for being so good

deadwolfbones · 11-30-2011, 02:24 PM

My D700 is more accurate and requires less AF adjustment (I've literally never had to use it, despite the shallower DoF) than my K-5. Not that the K-5 is bad, the D700 is just perfect.

But that's just one data point.

Anvh · 11-30-2011, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

My D700 is more accurate and requires less AF adjustment (I've literally never had to use it, despite the shallower DoF) than my K-5. Not that the K-5 is bad, the D700 is just perfect.

But that's just one data point.

De CoC is smaller with APS-C compared to FF so don't know how much the shallower DoF makes a difference when it comes to accuracy.
I believe that because the sensor is larger and with less pixels you can get away with larger tolerance but correct me if i'm wrong.

Lets all hope Ricoh has some nice plans for Pentax so far it looks to be heading into positive direction so lets see what kind of camera the first Pentax/Ricoh DSLR will be next year and then talk further.

sjwaldron · 11-30-2011, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

So now you're dictating our internal office rules?

It's generally accepted to surf to safe websites during one's lunchbreak. Sadly, this site can no longer be considered safe for work.

I assumed this site had some sort of policy around sfw/nsfw content, due to the nsfw-tags in the galleries.

Here is an idea. If you want to browse PF at work, turn images off in your browser. You can still read text about the wonders of FF Pentax just fine.

11-30-2011, 09:42 AM - 1 Like	#1522
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by Pentaxor what is so offensive about FF ? is it illegal to have FF? One type of FF is just (wonderful) anatomy, one type is the format for the future Pentax flagship DSLR (), and the final type (Front Focus) should be illegal. (and if you're browsing PF at work, the risk is yours. At least that was much better than certain types of squirrel anatomy, in close-up.) .

11-30-2011, 11:48 AM	#1524
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by falconeye AFAIK, the photo didn't offend anybody. The fact you browsed a photo forum at work was the offense, as far as I can see. So now you're dictating our internal office rules? It's generally accepted to surf to safe websites during one's lunchbreak. Sadly, this site can no longer be considered safe for work. I assumed this site had some sort of policy around sfw/nsfw content, due to the nsfw-tags in the galleries. Last edited by Clavius; 11-30-2011 at 12:01 PM.

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11-30-2011, 08:48 AM	#1516
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	This discrimination, if it was a male it wouldn't give so much commotion! They are just breasts, what's wrong with them? Or is the lingery to sexy? Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 See, now you may understand why I want APS-H Would like that too but the problem is who make APS-H size sensors these days? I think an FF camera can be made for almost the same price because of that.

11-30-2011, 08:50 AM	#1517
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by jeztastic As far as I can see we're all European, including the guy who posted it. I think it's a great photo, but not the kind of thing a boss would easily turn a blind eye to, anywhere in the world! Since when do you lot want to be called European?

11-30-2011, 08:57 AM	#1518
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Aristophanes Which one is the USA and which one is Europe? So funny. I guess the biggest one must be USA.

11-30-2011, 09:08 AM - 1 Like	#1519
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Clavius Isn't this forum moderated for that? I see the offending picture is still there. AFAIK, the photo didn't offend anybody. The fact you browsed a photo forum at work was the offense, as far as I can see.

11-30-2011, 09:19 AM	#1520
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by falconeye AFAIK, the photo didn't offend anybody. The fact you browsed a photo forum at work was the offense, as far as I can see. what is so offensive about FF ? is it illegal to have FF?

11-30-2011, 09:41 AM	#1521
MrPetkus Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 387	Nikon just announced an upgrade to their flagship flash - the SB-910. Here's a company (albeit with much greater resources) that is continually improving their entire ecosystem, not just bodies. Everyone here wants a FF (and yes, APS-H - please don't re-post the whole 2 body solution displaying the K5 and grip). Pentax needs a new flash system, longer lenses, and better AF or their FF will be an epic fail. Unless, of course, it's priced ridiculously cheap. But given the high price of the K5 at launch and the current price inflation, it seems unlikely that will be the case.

11-30-2011, 10:06 AM	#1523
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Clavius Nope, I accessed this page from the very liberal Holland. But accessing this page during my lunchbreak at my work at the very conservative Japanese company (Ricoh), scared the *** out of me. Isn't this forum moderated for that? I see the offending picture is still there. I'm not sure I understand what is offensive about cleavage? There is no nudity and and most swimsuits show way more than that.

11-30-2011, 12:04 PM	#1525
Sol Invictus Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Calgary, Alberta Photos: Gallery Posts: 392	Originally posted by MrPetkus Nikon just announced an upgrade to their flagship flash - the SB-910. Here's a company (albeit with much greater resources) that is continually improving their entire ecosystem, not just bodies. Everyone here wants a FF (and yes, APS-H - please don't re-post the whole 2 body solution displaying the K5 and grip). Pentax needs a new flash system, longer lenses, and better AF or their FF will be an epic fail. Unless, of course, it's priced ridiculously cheap. But given the high price of the K5 at launch and the current price inflation, it seems unlikely that will be the case. I think you nailed it! Pentax currently doesn't have the ecosystem to support and entice photographers with an FF camera. I have no doubt that if they released one, it would be a wonderful camera, however unless they support it with the things you mentioned, outside of a core of Pentax lovers, the camera would be a flop. Don't get me wrong though, I still want them to pursue the FF avenue, I just hope they do in a way that encompasses the whole ecosystem. Hopefully with the backing of Ricoh this is a possibility.

11-30-2011, 12:15 PM	#1526
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by Clavius So now you're dictating our internal office rules? It's generally accepted to surf to safe websites during one's lunchbreak. Sadly, this site can no longer be considered safe for work. I assumed this site had some sort of policy around sfw/nsfw content, due to the nsfw-tags in the galleries. there are policies. usually NSFW are censored materials. my advice is just be careful when browsing this site as the person behind you might have a different policy with what is SFW and NSFW.

11-30-2011, 01:11 PM	#1527
Macario Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Hoek van Holland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,393	Originally posted by MrPetkus Nikon just announced an upgrade to their flagship flash - the SB-910. Here's a company (albeit with much greater resources) that is continually improving their entire ecosystem, not just bodies. Everyone here wants a FF (and yes, APS-H - please don't re-post the whole 2 body solution displaying the K5 and grip). Pentax needs a new flash system, longer lenses, and better AF or their FF will be an epic fail. Unless, of course, it's priced ridiculously cheap. But given the high price of the K5 at launch and the current price inflation, it seems unlikely that will be the case. Why does everybody keep on complaining about the AF of the K-5. There have been tests that the AF of the K-5 is the most accurate of the APS-C cameras at the moment. I bet if the Nikon now had the AF system of the K-5, everybody would praise it for being so good

11-30-2011, 02:24 PM	#1528
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: La Crescenta, CA Posts: 7,450	My D700 is more accurate and requires less AF adjustment (I've literally never had to use it, despite the shallower DoF) than my K-5. Not that the K-5 is bad, the D700 is just perfect. But that's just one data point.

11-30-2011, 02:38 PM	#1529
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by deadwolfbones My D700 is more accurate and requires less AF adjustment (I've literally never had to use it, despite the shallower DoF) than my K-5. Not that the K-5 is bad, the D700 is just perfect. But that's just one data point. De CoC is smaller with APS-C compared to FF so don't know how much the shallower DoF makes a difference when it comes to accuracy. I believe that because the sensor is larger and with less pixels you can get away with larger tolerance but correct me if i'm wrong. Lets all hope Ricoh has some nice plans for Pentax so far it looks to be heading into positive direction so lets see what kind of camera the first Pentax/Ricoh DSLR will be next year and then talk further.

11-30-2011, 03:05 PM	#1530
sjwaldron Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,235	Originally posted by Clavius So now you're dictating our internal office rules? It's generally accepted to surf to safe websites during one's lunchbreak. Sadly, this site can no longer be considered safe for work. I assumed this site had some sort of policy around sfw/nsfw content, due to the nsfw-tags in the galleries. Here is an idea. If you want to browse PF at work, turn images off in your browser. You can still read text about the wonders of FF Pentax just fine.