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06-23-2012, 02:46 PM   #2806
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QuoteOriginally posted by zosxavius Quote
Canikon is a huge juggernaut that pros turn to for good reason... they have full frame.
But the question is: Do the pros use them because the are FF, or simply because they won't offer that same performance in an APS-C cam? Performance being the same, would all that many care?

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But the question is: Do the pros use them because the are FF, or simply because they won't offer that same performance in an APS-C cam? Performance being the same, would all that many care?
"Pros" use what works for the bottom line. For many, many types of professional photography, the Nikon D3200 looks pretty killer. (K-30 too.)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Jodokast96 Quote
But the question is: Do the pros use them because the are FF, or simply because they won't offer that same performance in an APS-C cam? Performance being the same, would all that many care?
Here is the main deal: shallower DOF:

FF vs. APS-C: DOF | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Oh yes, and better Signal/Noise ratio on FF cameras, they gather more light, because of the bigger sensor. Not to mention FF yields bigger print sizes with same pixel size with APS-C.

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QuoteOriginally posted by mattdm Quote
"Pros" use what works for the bottom line. For many, many types of professional photography, the Nikon D3200 looks pretty killer. (K-30 too.)
Dunno... in my experience most 'pros' are portrait-takers because that's what pays. A 85mm f/1.4 + D3200 might be 'good enough' but a 85mm f/1.8 + D700 will have much higher resolution and shallower DOF possibilities. Of course it's all about the out-of-focus quality and for that the f/1.8 isn't all that great.

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QuoteOriginally posted by cbaytan Quote
Here is the main deal: shallower DOF:

FF vs. APS-C: DOF | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Oh yes, and better Signal/Noise ratio on FF cameras, they gather more light, because of the bigger sensor. Not to mention FF yields bigger print sizes with same pixel size with APS-C.
Actually the extra light gathering/iso preformance is almost factored out by 2 things, APS-C sensors are often 1 generation ahead of FF while P&S are 1 generation ahead of APS-C. Then 2, the "smaller" DOF with FF means you need to stop down more meaning less light will fall on the sensor, so you need to little extra.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Dunno... in my experience most 'pros' are portrait-takers because that's what pays. A 85mm f/1.4 + D3200 might be 'good enough' but a 85mm f/1.8 + D700 will have much higher resolution and shallower DOF possibilities. Of course it's all about the out-of-focus quality and for that the f/1.8 isn't all that great.
Strange comparison and actually the D3200 will have a shallower DOF in your example if the focus distance is the same.
Anyway in this situation the D3200 will probably use the 50mm f/1.2 which probably will come close to the DOF of the 85mm f/1.8
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QuoteOriginally posted by mattdm Quote
"Pros" use what works for the bottom line. For many, many types of professional photography, the Nikon D3200 looks pretty killer. (K-30 too.)
I know 2 PJ's well and both primarily use APS-C cameras, with one having his equipment supplied by his employer.

Take a look at paparazzi troupes and see what cameras they use. Lots of APS-C for added tele.

There is no consensus in the pro market over sensor size.
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If any Paparazzi tried a D800 I'm sure they would prefer that to the so-called "added tele" crop factor of an APS-C... crop your shots later, get the shot first.

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If any Paparazzi tried a D800 I'm sure they would prefer that to the so-called "added tele" crop factor of an APS-C... crop your shots later, get the shot first.
Depends on how much running he does
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I think anybody would prefer a fullframe because it just makes better pictures. Thats why this Thread has 188 pages
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I think anybody would prefer a fullframe because it just makes better pictures. Thats why this Thread has 188 pages
I see again an APS-H name-drop oppertunity
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QuoteOriginally posted by RonHendriks1966 Quote
I see again an APS-H name-drop oppertunity

Whats that? APS-HULK sensor?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Chex Quote
If any Paparazzi tried a D800 I'm sure they would prefer that
Paparazzi are like sports photogs shooting a game - they want fast fps, quick processing turnaround, and quick transmission of the images back to base, in addition to conventionally useful features like good low-light and good lens reach. They don't want huge file sizes and slow fps, and don't need amazing resolution and image quality.

So I don't expect to see many paps using D800's (or Phase One's or Hasselblads) anytime soon.
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Well I guess Paparazzi would love the D4 or 1Dx then... Bursts away!
But they also need half decent AF.. and not many APS-C camera's AF systems can hold a candle to good FF camera AF systems..
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QuoteOriginally posted by Chex Quote
and not many APS-C camera's AF systems can hold a candle to good FF camera AF systems..
True enough. But sensor size and AF quality and performance aren't really connected.

Big-boy FF systems like the D4 or 1D's of the world get great AF because they are top-tier pro tools crammed with all the best AF tech, not because FF makes AF any more effective than on APS-C (or micro-4/3 etc).
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