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07-05-2012, 11:53 AM   #2911
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QuoteOriginally posted by pingflood Quote
with very long lenses I would rather have in-lens IS.
I agree; but for me the focal length where I'd make the switch is a rather-long-lens... about 400mm.

07-05-2012, 01:25 PM   #2912
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I'm a semi-professional photographer (slightly under half of my yearly income is from photography). I am moving further and further into the world of Sports photography. As such, I fear I will have to jump ship to Canon or Nikon for two reasons.

1) I will need full-frame. I am already bumping up against the limitations on my K5. Its an incredible camera, but not being FF kills me in the low light situations I shoot in.
2) I need 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8, not f/4. Its just not fast enough glass for the kind of sports photography I shoot. These lenses are out there, but they are extremely difficult to find since Pentax no longer makes them. I hope they fix this problem, because I love Pentax and would really hate to switch.

Please Pentax. Don't make me leave you.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jtb04a Quote
I'm a semi-professional photographer (slightly under half of my yearly income is from photography). I am moving further and further into the world of Sports photography. As such, I fear I will have to jump ship to Canon or Nikon for two reasons.

1) I will need full-frame. I am already bumping up against the limitations on my K5. Its an incredible camera, but not being FF kills me in the low light situations I shoot in.
2) I need 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8, not f/4. Its just not fast enough glass for the kind of sports photography I shoot. These lenses are out there, but they are extremely difficult to find since Pentax no longer makes them. I hope they fix this problem, because I love Pentax and would really hate to switch.

Please Pentax. Don't make me leave you.
Odd, I'm not sure how the K-5 crop sensor is a problem with low light a FF won't be any advantage in low light, I take it you are refering to available lenses not being fast enough.

You can get a Sigma 300/2.8 and Sigma 500/4.5 for the K-5 today, they share nearly all the same optics just in different configs for their FL, if you go to a FF you will need a 400/2.8 or 800/5.6 to match the same field of view without cropping, and they cost more than small countries do. It would suprise most just how much the sports guys crop their FF images even with dinnerplate size glass lenses.

I can completely understand jumping for maybe better AF, the ability to go out today and buy new a 400/2.8 or 600/4. even then, you could grab a secondhand D700 and then pick up secondhand Nikkor 600/4 all for around $8000.00, something you couldn't do with Pentax.
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For sports, on top of the FF sensor and lens availability.. the Autofocus system difference is HUGE going from the K-5 to my D800.. the 3D tracking mode is amazing, even on the slow focusing 24-120 VR f3.5-5.6 I have.. can't wait for a bit of wiggle room in my budget for a 70-200 or 300 f4.

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QuoteOriginally posted by jtb04a Quote
I need 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8, not f/4.
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You can get a Sigma 300/2.8 and Sigma 500/4.5 for the K-5 today
I take it jtb04a meant he needs 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8 for the full frame he says he also needs.

So, K-5 would need 200/1.8 or 270/1.8, lenses which clearly don't exist for APS-C (APS-C with Nikon would be a bit closer with D7000+200/2.0G but here full frame is a non issue).

Maybe he means to need 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8 for APS-C indeed (he didn't specify). But then you would compare 300/2.8 for APS-C with 500/4.5 for full frame. They have a similiar price and weight (the 500 is a bit more, but it would be equivalent to 330/3.0 on APS-C; 111mm vs. 107mm aperture). So, a full frame with 500/4 would fit his needs ideally.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jtb04a Quote
I'm a semi-professional photographer. As such, I fear I will have to jump ship to Canon or Nikon for two reasons.

1) I will need full-frame.
2) I need 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8, not f/4.
I do see your urges. I do a lot of sports and we are handicapt in many ways. On the other hand we can still make great images, but I would like a better camera and some lenses as well.

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Odd, I'm not sure how the K-5 crop sensor is a problem with low light a FF won't be any advantage in low light, I take it you are refering to available lenses not being fast enough.

You can get a Sigma 300/2.8 and Sigma 500/4.5 for the K-5 today. It would suprise most just how much the sports guys crop their FF images even with dinnerplate size glass lenses.
The K-5 is a wonderfull camera, but falls short in image quality when compared to D3s/D4 in hi-iso. The amount of cropping and image pimping is enourmous and something I don't do enough yet.

QuoteOriginally posted by Chex Quote
For sports, on top of the FF sensor and lens availability.. the Autofocus system difference is HUGE going from the K-5 to my D800.. the 3D tracking mode is amazing, even on the slow focusing 24-120 VR f3.5-5.6 I have.. can't wait for a bit of wiggle room in my budget for a 70-200 or 300 f4.
Having a smarter AF is one desire. Having a faster processor inside the camera is also a way to get that. Canon put in 1Dx a separate processor for the AF module to do all the calculations. When our K-5 would have more power inside to make calculations then even our AF-C would get better (simply by more times/second recalculating the settings for AF).

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I take it jtb04a meant he needs 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8 for the full frame he says he also needs.

So, K-5 would need 200/1.8 or 270/1.8, lenses which clearly don't exist for APS-C (APS-C with Nikon would be a bit closer with D7000+200/2.0G but here full frame is a non issue).

Maybe he means to need 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8 for APS-C indeed (he didn't specify). But then you would compare 300/2.8 for APS-C with 500/4.5 for full frame. They have a similiar price and weight (the 500 is a bit more, but it would be equivalent to 330/3.0 on APS-C; 111mm vs. 107mm aperture). So, a full frame with 500/4 would fit his needs ideally.
Well long lenses are used a lot. I do a lot of big field work with K-5 and DA*300mm and for that one could also put that sigma 500mm/f4.5 on a full frame. I see a lot of sportsphotographers using 400mm/f2.8 and 1.4x tc on their fullf frame D3s (less Canon where I come). The Nikon 200mm/f2.0 is a wonderful lens, but you don't use such an expensive lens on an aps-c camera, since you can buy 135mm/f2.0 for that.

I don't think that Pentax will go all the way into the sportsphotography section since that would take way to much investments and the time to get that money back from customers will take to long. There is a need for some lenses. I hope for a very good long telezoomlens. That could be 80-200mm/f2.8, but I hope they make it a bit longer as my suggested 135-270mm/f2.8 (and thus not a new 300mm/f2.8 but only one lens). A fast 135mm/f2.0 would also be great for indoor sports.

On the long side a 400mm would be great, but I don't think it will come soon. A 400mm/f2.8 is to expensive and even a 400mm/f4 won't get to many buyers.
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
I take it jtb04a meant he needs 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8 for the full frame he says he also needs.

So, K-5 would need 200/1.8 or 270/1.8, lenses which clearly don't exist for APS-C (APS-C with Nikon would be a bit closer with D7000+200/2.0G but here full frame is a non issue).
Well, Canon has had a 200/1.8 before, since replaced with the 200/2 IS.
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pingflood:
Just the same for me, I only ask, "Pentaxian" but no Pentax gear?

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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
I take it jtb04a meant he needs 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8 for the full frame he says he also needs.

So, K-5 would need 200/1.8 or 270/1.8, lenses which clearly don't exist for APS-C
Ah new mount might make that possible
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not much chance of a new mount no matter how often you bring it up Anvh. the idea has more risk than reward for ricoh
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QuoteOriginally posted by jtb04a Quote
I'm a semi-professional photographer (slightly under half of my yearly income is from photography). I am moving further and further into the world of Sports photography. As such, I fear I will have to jump ship to Canon or Nikon for two reasons.

1) I will need full-frame. I am already bumping up against the limitations on my K5. Its an incredible camera, but not being FF kills me in the low light situations I shoot in.
2) I need 300 mm and 400mm f/2.8, not f/4. Its just not fast enough glass for the kind of sports photography I shoot. These lenses are out there, but they are extremely difficult to find since Pentax no longer makes them. I hope they fix this problem, because I love Pentax and would really hate to switch.

Please Pentax. Don't make me leave you.
Really, if you are seriously into sports photography, go for Canon or Nikon. I think this has been the conclusion in all the threads around this topic consistently for the last yeras. Pentax simply hasn't got the lenses, you'll need. You can be lucky to find the wonderful FA teles secondhand, And honestly I cannot really see the K5 being a disadvantage IQ wise, but I know, that some editors will simply only accept images made with a select few cameras. And when it comes to business, there cannot be a discussion about brand loyalty. Another thing to consider is, that Canon and Nikon often attend big sports events with their service mobiles, which is great for a working pro, because they not only will service your equipment on the spot, but you often get lenses on trial during the event.

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Really, if you are seriously into sports photography, go for Canon or Nikon. I think this has been the conclusion in all the threads around this topic consistently for the last yeras. Pentax simply hasn't got the lenses, you'll need. You can be lucky to find the wonderful FA teles secondhand, And honestly I cannot really see the K5 being a disadvantage IQ wise, but I know, that some editors will simply only accept images made with a select few cameras. And when it comes to business, there cannot be a discussion about brand loyalty. Another thing to consider is, that Canon and Nikon often attend big sports events with their service mobiles, which is great for a working pro, because they not only will service your equipment on the spot, but you often get lenses on trial during the event.
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Problem is that he is a pro-shooter for small events, since big events have the light to work with. Mostly regional competitions don't have the light to work with and don't pay the money for a Nikon pro-set ($ 25.000).
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not much chance of a new mount no matter how often you bring it up Anvh. the idea has more risk than reward for ricoh
Ouch!
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pingflood:
Just the same for me, I only ask, "Pentaxian" but no Pentax gear?
Well, unless things have changed I can't change the title.

I have owned quite a bit of Pentax gear, but at the moment none. If my dream camera (fully reflective mirror, manual focus, Olympus OM size viewfinder and prism, full frame) should ever appear on the market (Cosina, you know you can make it happen) I would pick up a few Taks in the blink of an eye though. :-)
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not much chance of a new mount no matter how often you bring it up Anvh. the idea has more risk than reward for ricoh
Is it more risky then FF you think?
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