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11-03-2011, 09:42 AM   #886
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There's always a market...

G700SE / Digital Cameras | Ricoh Global

Despite its small size and light weight, the G700SE has strengthened glass at the lens front surface and body protectors added at strategic points. This toughness enabled it to withstand 2.0 m drops in 26 positions (6 surfaces, 8 corners, and 12 edges) in testing conforming to US Department of Defense “MIL Standard 810F.” Furthermore, it also passes this test with the power on.
and people say the Q is expensive. this is the same price lol. Actually if you need the features it looks like a hell of a camera. Ricoh has been very good at niche marketing in the p/s world.

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The Pentax Optio W90 can withstand 1.2 meters too
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QuoteOriginally posted by Asahiflex Quote
The Pentax Optio W90 can withstand 1.2 meters too
at less than half the price.

But in a lot of ways the Ricoh looks to be a better camera. they have always made some very nice p/s aimed at experienced photographers
11-03-2011, 02:51 PM   #889
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Over at nikonrumors.com they have tested various FF 50 mm lenses on a D700, including two Ai-S manual lenses. For contrast and sharpness stopped down at least to f/4, the manual focus Nikkors won out. Would be interesting to see the equivalent to this test in Pentax lenses (though I know, we don't have a FF digital....yet) 8)

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Will do, in the next couple days. I'll make sure to run the images through the exact same conversion, etc.
Thanks. I am looking forward to it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Oog Quote
Over at nikonrumors.com they have tested various FF 50 mm lenses on a D700, including two Ai-S manual lenses. For contrast and sharpness stopped down at least to f/4, the manual focus Nikkors won out. Would be interesting to see the equivalent to this test in Pentax lenses (though I know, we don't have a FF digital....yet) 8)
Nothing prevents you from such a test at APS-C.
The A 50 f1.2 @ f4 is ridiculously sharp.
11-03-2011, 03:30 PM   #892
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I posted a 100% centre crop of my M50 f/4 macro on a K-r in the lens database....I could add my copies of the M50 f/2 and M 50 f/1.4 to that mix someday....

Point being in the Nikon test is that the old formula film 50's bested the others in some aspects on a digital FF. Wonder what these Pentax manual focus babies would look on a digital FF (shall we mash up a Nikon F mount adaptor, anyone? Canon for that matter?)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Oog Quote
Over at nikonrumors.com they have tested various FF 50 mm lenses on a D700, including two Ai-S manual lenses. For contrast and sharpness stopped down at least to f/4, the manual focus Nikkors won out. Would be interesting to see the equivalent to this test in Pentax lenses (though I know, we don't have a FF digital....yet) 8)
But there is more to using lenses then just resolution.

I think that a lot of old lenses from the time that saving on production wasn't so important can be good. But going into the age of plastic 90thies that a lot of lenses where made cheap and act accordingly to that.

I used a 300mm/f4.5 Nikkor pre-Ai on my K-7 and that was to some extend a fantastic lens. (but that was an expensive lens in the mid-70thies).

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JUst thinking out loud, if Canon can do something like make a big entrance into DSLR cinema, like it just has announced, why can't Ricoh make a similar entrance into digital FF?
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QuoteOriginally posted by fuent104 Quote
Thanks. I am looking forward to it.
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I think this is a worthwhile thing to try, good suggestion. I will take the comparison shots tomorrow, Sat or Sunday when I have time and post them here.

Meantime, I can show some shots that get at what I'm talking about, but can't be definitive because they're not taken in the exact the same conditions.... But hopefully they serve some level of illustration.

Both these shots are at f/2.8, both with the $109 50 1.8D, both ISO 250, one is 1/320s and one is 1/250s, both have the same workflow & sharpening (25, radius 1) Which do you think was taken with the D90, and which with the D700?

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Here's another comparison with the 85 1.8D, both at f/1.8, one 1/400s ISO 200, the other 1/200s ISO 450. Whis is which?







Here's another example, with the 85 f/1.8D - one is f/4, one is f/1.8 (!), same processing. Which is D700?








Again, these are not meant to be definitive because they are not test shots of the same subject at the exact same time, etc, but they are typical of what I see day to day shooting the same lenses on both formats. The tonal gradients (look closely at the purple 'B',) the contrast/sharpness, the smoothness just brings more 'wow' to me. When I pixel-peep, I see that there's no problem with acuity on the D90 shots, they are very sharp, it's just that they lack... something. I honestly thought both the 50 1.8D and 85 1.8D were mediocre lenses until I tried them on FF.

And these are just three data points - I see it all the time, which is why it's hit home for me that I really want to shoot the FA Limiteds on FF.


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I am guessing

D90
D700
D90
D700
D90
D700

Pretty sure about the first 2 though. The 2nd pic just looks amazing.
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I am guessing D90 D700 D90 D700 D90 D700
I'm guessing the exact opposite. First shot is tricky though, can't really see enough background to make a determination.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Aristophanes Quote
The D700 has a built-in flash, unique among FF cameras
nothing unique, Kodak FF dSLRs (like 14n) had built in flash years ago.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gtl Quote
D90 D700 D90 D700 D90 D700
This would also be my guess. I definitely see the gradients in the purple B. I have also sensed something in the gradients of the images shot on full frame cameras by people I know. There is also something about the way depth of field works...the gradient into the out of focus areas seems a little more gentle. It is hard to state it scientifically without tests, but it is something I've been perceiving since before I knew which cameras had full frame sensors.
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It has already been done

QuoteOriginally posted by Emacs Quote
Nothing prevents you from such a test at APS-C.
The A 50 f1.2 @ f4 is ridiculously sharp.
Several years ago Sean Carpenter did an exhaustive comparitive shootout, not only sharpness but bokeh, color rendtition the whole nine yards.
clicky here for the skinny

NaCl(IIRC the winner was the A50mm F/1.2)H2O
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