Pentax Full Frame - An official statement from Pentax (they listened!)

Chex · 10-19-2011, 09:26 PM

Hmm then it will be when the Lytro technology is fused into the APS-C K-3!

**Clinton** · 10-19-2011, 09:27 PM

Thanks Adam.

I personally think your strongest point is #4. Sometime, and I think fairly soon, the point of diffraction will be F5.6 or F8.

As you already know, I'd love to see the FA* series reissued. As DFA* with WR, I'd be likely to rebuy some of my lenses.

I'd really like to see the text of that message

Zygonyx · 10-20-2011, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by aragondina

We have yet to see what the new 1Dx will do as far as IQ, yes they didn't produce the 36mp monster that was rumoured, but the 1Dx will most likely beat the 645D in every category except resolution. So except in very large prints I doubt anyone will see any measurable difference. The 1Dx will do it faster, cheaper, and with a huge lens selection (the 645 still only has 2 lenses in the lineup right?)

And I have an answer for the "pure IQ the 645D provides" I can do it in one word ..... Hasselblad

A 2x factor in this respect is not negligible, is it ? Crop potential is an other interest...

Wrong, they are 16 lenses available, the FA line is still produced.

Otherwise, please dont fall into this marketing trap, 24x36mm is still 1,7x smaller than 33x44mm, and the output cannot be the same...

As for Hasselblad, there's an other x factor budget to put...

There must be a way btw fanboyism and irrelevancy.

falconeye · 10-20-2011, 04:08 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Adam

Last month, the owner of Pentaxeros.com (Spanish Pentax community/store) and I joined forces and wrote a letter to Pentax presenting a case for why Pentax needs to work on developing a full-frame DSLR.

did we get a written response from the president of Pentax Europe, but he assured us that management in Japan (as well as the R&D department in Europe) will be forwarded our feedback

Adam, great effort and I agree with everything you said in the letter.

On the response though, I am a bit less enthusiastic. I have received similiar responses from Pentax Europe management in the past (on several topics). But so far, the "forwarded to management in Japan" proved a black hole. Let's see that this has improved now after the Ricoh aquisition. Moreover, there is no Pentax R&D department in Europe (so, must mean Ricoh then?).

I look forward to see the full letter. But even more to see any reaction from Japan.

audiobomber · 10-20-2011, 04:40 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jsherman999

Getting kinda tense there, aintcha?

.

I'm trying to calm the hysteria a little. There is no mention of FF in the response, there is no hint of FF in the response. "the company plans on expanding its Advanced Amateur and Professional product lines" could mean APS-C MILC, it could mean a new MF, it could mean a Pro-level APS-C DSLR. All of these are more likely than FF, IMHO.

**Jack** · 10-20-2011, 05:51 AM

There is no mention of FF, but it is inferred. Pentax Full Frame - An official statement from Pentax (they listened!)
We haven't had a chance to read the letter Adam is holding in his hand. Once I get permission to post the letter, I will attach in in this thread! Notice the exclamation point.
Apparently he knows much more than anybody can speculate.
Hopefully falconeyes "forwarded to management in Japan" proved a black hole' only fell on deaf ears with Hoya. Only time will tell.
Until we read the letter or hear an announcement it's business as usual.
I do believe Ricoh is going to increase Pentax's presence, and we are all waiting anxiously for any announcement.

Spag · 10-20-2011, 06:06 AM - **1 Like**

I think the exclamation mark in the title only means "wow, we got an answer from Pentax, it never happened before". The answer Adam received is most probably "Thank you for your inquiry. We at Pentax Europe don't know nothing about the company's plans for the future, but we will gladly forward your letter to Pentax Japan. If we ever hear something back from them we will let you know."

**Jack** · 10-20-2011, 06:34 AM - **1 Like**

"Once I get permission to post the letter, I will attach in in this thread!"
This is the exclamation point I was referring to. Not that they listened. Also, notice the excitement in his typing. The n and t aren't near each other on the keyboard!

ogl · 10-20-2011, 06:39 AM

By the way, the leader of photomarket called Canon

stays just with TWO models of FF cameras - 1Dx and with new version of 5D (I think)...

JUST TWO cameras. I think that Nikon will offer D800 and D5 - and nothing more.

Sony will make new A99. 1 model.

I doubt that Ricoh/Pentax will make FF camera in the nearest 1-2 years.

Zygonyx · 10-20-2011, 06:47 AM

As i use to say, there is some room on the EVIL market, for a compact FF with all features including rather fast autofocus like OLY E-P3 for example... and one or two starting primes + KAF internally motorised adapter...

Emacs · 10-20-2011, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by ogl

Sony will make new A99. 1 model.

Sony was rumoured to do 3 models

But since they have refused from SLR I think they will do only 2: SLR and EVIL FF.

Mistral75 · 10-20-2011, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by Emacs

Sony was rumoured to do 3 models

But since they have refused from SLR I think they will do only 2: SLR and EVIL FF.

They are rumoured to prepare 3 models: 24 Mpixels 24x36 SLT, 36 Mpixels 24x36 SLT and 24x36 NEX.

**Fontan** · 10-20-2011, 06:58 AM

It will flop. Not a good move in my opinion. It is my general impression that many pentaxians like to nikcle and dime their purchases while complaining loudly that they don't have this or that. I would be careful about catering to this type of crowd.

ogl · 10-20-2011, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

They are rumoured to prepare 3 models: 24 Mpixels 24x36 SLT, 36 Mpixels 24x36 SLT and 24x36 NEX.

he-he

ogl · 10-20-2011, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by Emacs

Sony was rumoured to do 3 models

But since they have refused from SLR I think they will do only 2: SLR and EVIL FF.

Sony makes only SLT and NEX cameras

10-20-2011, 02:29 AM	#183
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by aragondina We have yet to see what the new 1Dx will do as far as IQ, yes they didn't produce the 36mp monster that was rumoured, but the 1Dx will most likely beat the 645D in every category except resolution. So except in very large prints I doubt anyone will see any measurable difference. The 1Dx will do it faster, cheaper, and with a huge lens selection (the 645 still only has 2 lenses in the lineup right?) And I have an answer for the "pure IQ the 645D provides" I can do it in one word ..... Hasselblad A 2x factor in this respect is not negligible, is it ? Crop potential is an other interest... Wrong, they are 16 lenses available, the FA line is still produced. Otherwise, please dont fall into this marketing trap, 24x36mm is still 1,7x smaller than 33x44mm, and the output cannot be the same... As for Hasselblad, there's an other x factor budget to put... There must be a way btw fanboyism and irrelevancy. Last edited by Zygonyx; 10-20-2011 at 02:37 AM.

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10-19-2011, 09:26 PM	#181
Chex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The 'Stoke, British Columbia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,678	Hmm then it will be when the Lytro technology is fused into the APS-C K-3!

10-19-2011, 09:27 PM	#182
Clinton Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,910	Thanks Adam. I personally think your strongest point is #4. Sometime, and I think fairly soon, the point of diffraction will be F5.6 or F8. As you already know, I'd love to see the FA* series reissued. As DFA* with WR, I'd be likely to rebuy some of my lenses. I'd really like to see the text of that message

10-20-2011, 04:08 AM - 2 Likes	#184
falconeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Munich, Alps, Germany Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,871	Originally posted by Adam Last month, the owner of Pentaxeros.com (Spanish Pentax community/store) and I joined forces and wrote a letter to Pentax presenting a case for why Pentax needs to work on developing a full-frame DSLR. did we get a written response from the president of Pentax Europe, but he assured us that management in Japan (as well as the R&D department in Europe) will be forwarded our feedback Adam, great effort and I agree with everything you said in the letter. On the response though, I am a bit less enthusiastic. I have received similiar responses from Pentax Europe management in the past (on several topics). But so far, the "forwarded to management in Japan" proved a black hole. Let's see that this has improved now after the Ricoh aquisition. Moreover, there is no Pentax R&D department in Europe (so, must mean Ricoh then?). I look forward to see the full letter. But even more to see any reaction from Japan.

10-20-2011, 04:40 AM - 1 Like	#185
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by jsherman999 Getting kinda tense there, aintcha? . I'm trying to calm the hysteria a little. There is no mention of FF in the response, there is no hint of FF in the response. "the company plans on expanding its Advanced Amateur and Professional product lines" could mean APS-C MILC, it could mean a new MF, it could mean a Pro-level APS-C DSLR. All of these are more likely than FF, IMHO.

10-20-2011, 05:51 AM	#186
Jack Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Georgia Photos: Gallery Posts: 197	There is no mention of FF, but it is inferred. Pentax Full Frame - An official statement from Pentax (they listened!) We haven't had a chance to read the letter Adam is holding in his hand. Once I get permission to post the letter, I will attach in in this thread! Notice the exclamation point. Apparently he knows much more than anybody can speculate. Hopefully falconeyes "forwarded to management in Japan" proved a black hole' only fell on deaf ears with Hoya. Only time will tell. Until we read the letter or hear an announcement it's business as usual. I do believe Ricoh is going to increase Pentax's presence, and we are all waiting anxiously for any announcement.

10-20-2011, 06:06 AM - 1 Like	#187
Spag Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Berlin Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 118	I think the exclamation mark in the title only means "wow, we got an answer from Pentax, it never happened before". The answer Adam received is most probably "Thank you for your inquiry. We at Pentax Europe don't know nothing about the company's plans for the future, but we will gladly forward your letter to Pentax Japan. If we ever hear something back from them we will let you know."

10-20-2011, 06:34 AM - 1 Like	#188
Jack Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Georgia Photos: Gallery Posts: 197	"Once I get permission to post the letter, I will attach in in this thread!" This is the exclamation point I was referring to. Not that they listened. Also, notice the excitement in his typing. The n and t aren't near each other on the keyboard!

10-20-2011, 06:39 AM	#189
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	By the way, the leader of photomarket called Canon stays just with TWO models of FF cameras - 1Dx and with new version of 5D (I think)... JUST TWO cameras. I think that Nikon will offer D800 and D5 - and nothing more. Sony will make new A99. 1 model. I doubt that Ricoh/Pentax will make FF camera in the nearest 1-2 years.

10-20-2011, 06:47 AM	#190
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	As i use to say, there is some room on the EVIL market, for a compact FF with all features including rather fast autofocus like OLY E-P3 for example... and one or two starting primes + KAF internally motorised adapter...

10-20-2011, 06:48 AM	#191
Emacs Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,223	Originally posted by ogl Sony will make new A99. 1 model. Sony was rumoured to do 3 models But since they have refused from SLR I think they will do only 2: SLR and EVIL FF.

10-20-2011, 06:55 AM	#192
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Emacs Sony was rumoured to do 3 models But since they have refused from SLR I think they will do only 2: SLR and EVIL FF. They are rumoured to prepare 3 models: 24 Mpixels 24x36 SLT, 36 Mpixels 24x36 SLT and 24x36 NEX.

10-20-2011, 06:58 AM	#193
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	It will flop. Not a good move in my opinion. It is my general impression that many pentaxians like to nikcle and dime their purchases while complaining loudly that they don't have this or that. I would be careful about catering to this type of crowd.

10-20-2011, 07:31 AM	#194
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Mistral75 They are rumoured to prepare 3 models: 24 Mpixels 24x36 SLT, 36 Mpixels 24x36 SLT and 24x36 NEX. he-he

10-20-2011, 07:31 AM	#195
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Emacs Sony was rumoured to do 3 models But since they have refused from SLR I think they will do only 2: SLR and EVIL FF. Sony makes only SLT and NEX cameras