Pentax Full Frame - An official statement from Pentax (they listened!)

Clavius · 11-19-2011, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by jackseh

That NEX sure is a killer app, aint it?

I wish they made a battery grip for it tho.

Yeah, and bigger buttons, so males can actually operate it.

Emacs · 11-19-2011, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by jackseh

That NEX sure is a killer app, aint it?

I wish they made a battery grip for it tho.

You are trying to be too stupid

This is a known fact: the NEX-5n has microlenses offset on its edges (like ones of Leica M9, Fuji X100, Ricoh GXR) and this improved wide angle lenses performance much. The NEX-7 doesn't have it, and the difference is huge: Sony NEX-7 with wide angle Leica lenses – A quick test and Ricoh GXR A12 Comparison! | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

I noticed, this 16mm pancake on NEX-5n outperforms the 15Ltd on K-5 in terms of resolution, especially on edges. Nothing amazing, of course. Well known fact of how the small flange distance reduces the complexity of wide angle lenses design.

jackseh · 11-19-2011, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by Emacs

I noticed, this 16mm pancake on NEX-5n outperforms the 15Ltd on K-5 in terms of resolution, especially on edges. Nothing amazing, of course. Well known fact of how the small flange distance reduces the complexity of wide angle lenses design.

Care to share some comparison photos?

Emacs · 11-19-2011, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by jackseh

Care to share some comparison photos?

I don't have these shots. The 15Ltd + K-5 belong to the friend in the black. The NEX-5N + 16mm are of the friend in the white.

**maxfield_photo** · 11-19-2011, 05:11 AM

Originally posted by Fontan

No matter what you buy in the future, the chances are the your pictures won't look all that different. Pentax, Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Leica or whatever. PPG is a good example. Better off buying lenses. I sort of realized this after buying 645D and M8. It is not the sensor size.

I'll trade you my K20D for your 645D

TaoMaas · 11-19-2011, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by stanleyk

My apologies if I misunderstood you.

Although I appreciate it, there's no need to apologize. I think I'm the one who needs to apologize to Samsungian for being so flippant. He has a legitimate reason to be moving to FF, IMHO....he needs the larger viewfinder. But, that need to have a FF camera in order to continue his enjoyment of photography kinda moves him out of the Pentax family at this point in time.

Quote:

As for Pentax, it's just my opinion from using a Ricoh product, I think the brand is in great shape for the future.

I totally agree. If Pentax had to be sold to someone, I couldn't think of a better buyer than Ricoh.

patrickrea · 11-19-2011, 06:18 AM

Well, they are shots of canons. NOtice the lack of capitals on "canon"?

Originally posted by jsherman999

Ahem. Nikon.

.

jsherman999 · 11-19-2011, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by patrickrea

Well, they are shots of canons. NOtice the lack of capitals on "canon"?

Those must be the 1Ds prototypes, then. Really, really big.

(canon != cannon.... see title of my response.)

Unsinkable II · 11-19-2011, 07:41 AM

Originally posted by jackseh

I've met a lot of pentaxians who only use liveview mode with their K-r. Ironically, most of them came from DSLR backgrounds (note not SLR). Liveview with contrast detect focus is how they use their K-r to get critically sharp pictures. The use of reflect mirrors and manual focusing by eye is going to be a lost art very soon, replaced by these on-screen focusing aids.

My friend with his top-of-the-line Canon now uses liveview magnification for all his portrait shots (85/1.4 usually). Gotta say, they are tack sharp and very impressive, but no good with moving children!

Unsinkable II · 11-19-2011, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by Ben_Edict

The PZ-1p was big, heavy and had a slow AF.
Ben

Seriously??

Effing awesome AF speed would be my take.

G and T · 11-19-2011, 09:20 AM

Pentax already has made a full frame camera! In 2001 they pre-released a prototype based on an MZ-S, what a camera that would have been. I don't know why it was dropped,it may have been due to costs?

Pentaxor · 11-19-2011, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Emacs

You are trying to be too stupid

This is a known fact: the NEX-5n has microlenses offset on its edges (like ones of Leica M9, Fuji X100, Ricoh GXR) and this improved wide angle lenses performance much. The NEX-7 doesn't have it, and the difference is huge: Sony NEX-7 with wide angle Leica lenses – A quick test and Ricoh GXR A12 Comparison! | STEVE HUFF PHOTOS

I noticed, this 16mm pancake on NEX-5n outperforms the 15Ltd on K-5 in terms of resolution, especially on edges. Nothing amazing, of course. Well known fact of how the small flange distance reduces the complexity of wide angle lenses design.

does this mean the NX200 has microlenses as well? although it's jpeg is not what we call in the same level as that of the NEX-5n but the RAW certainly are pretty even match. or is it because of higher resolution for the NX200? or is it because the 16mm NX lens is just really sharp?

Emacs · 11-19-2011, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Pentaxor

does this mean the NX200 has microlenses as well? although it's jpeg is not what we call in the same level as that of the NEX-5n but the RAW certainly are pretty even match. or is it because of higher resolution for the NX200? or is it because the 16mm NX lens is just really sharp?

16mm samsung is better than one of sony without a doubt.
Don't know about shifted microlenses, but most likely it has. They have already suffered from the edge problem with their 20mm pancake, and this solution is the most effective.

WyldRage · 11-19-2011, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by Emacs

16mm samsung is better than one of sony without a doubt.

Have you seen a review of it? As far as I know, it hasn't been released yet.

Ben_Edict · 11-19-2011, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Unsinkable II

Seriously??

Effing awesome AF speed would be my take.

The Canons of that day and the Minoltas too, easily outperformed the PZ-1p. I have the PZ-1p since the day it was released and I went throught a lot of other bodies, as I reviewed cameras and lenses for a major newspaper over app. a 15 year period. And Pentax was always trailing in the AF-speed department in my experience. That is until now! The K-5 is the first ever Pentax, that won the AF race in German photo mag ColorFoto and came out first before CaNiSo, It was not only faster, but also more reliable, than the rest. And the Kr, which I recently bought as a small snapshot camera is performing admireably in the AF dept., too.

Ben

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11-19-2011, 12:16 AM	#1336
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by jackseh That NEX sure is a killer app, aint it? I wish they made a battery grip for it tho. Yeah, and bigger buttons, so males can actually operate it.

11-19-2011, 01:36 AM	#1337
Emacs Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,223	Originally posted by jackseh That NEX sure is a killer app, aint it? I wish they made a battery grip for it tho. You are trying to be too stupid This is a known fact: the NEX-5n has microlenses offset on its edges (like ones of Leica M9, Fuji X100, Ricoh GXR) and this improved wide angle lenses performance much. The NEX-7 doesn't have it, and the difference is huge: Sony NEX-7 with wide angle Leica lenses – A quick test and Ricoh GXR A12 Comparison! \| STEVE HUFF PHOTOS I noticed, this 16mm pancake on NEX-5n outperforms the 15Ltd on K-5 in terms of resolution, especially on edges. Nothing amazing, of course. Well known fact of how the small flange distance reduces the complexity of wide angle lenses design.

11-19-2011, 01:54 AM	#1338
jackseh Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 118	Originally posted by Emacs I noticed, this 16mm pancake on NEX-5n outperforms the 15Ltd on K-5 in terms of resolution, especially on edges. Nothing amazing, of course. Well known fact of how the small flange distance reduces the complexity of wide angle lenses design. Care to share some comparison photos?

11-19-2011, 02:15 AM	#1339
Emacs Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,223	Originally posted by jackseh Care to share some comparison photos? I don't have these shots. The 15Ltd + K-5 belong to the friend in the black. The NEX-5N + 16mm are of the friend in the white.

11-19-2011, 05:11 AM	#1340
maxfield_photo Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,216	Originally posted by Fontan No matter what you buy in the future, the chances are the your pictures won't look all that different. Pentax, Nikon, Canon, Fuji, Leica or whatever. PPG is a good example. Better off buying lenses. I sort of realized this after buying 645D and M8. It is not the sensor size. I'll trade you my K20D for your 645D

11-19-2011, 05:26 AM	#1341
TaoMaas Pentaxian Join Date: May 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,574	Originally posted by stanleyk My apologies if I misunderstood you. Although I appreciate it, there's no need to apologize. I think I'm the one who needs to apologize to Samsungian for being so flippant. He has a legitimate reason to be moving to FF, IMHO....he needs the larger viewfinder. But, that need to have a FF camera in order to continue his enjoyment of photography kinda moves him out of the Pentax family at this point in time. Quote: As for Pentax, it's just my opinion from using a Ricoh product, I think the brand is in great shape for the future. I totally agree. If Pentax had to be sold to someone, I couldn't think of a better buyer than Ricoh.

11-19-2011, 06:18 AM	#1342
patrickrea Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Toronto, ON Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 94	Well, they are shots of canons. NOtice the lack of capitals on "canon"? Originally posted by jsherman999 Ahem. Nikon. .

11-19-2011, 07:29 AM	#1343
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by patrickrea Well, they are shots of canons. NOtice the lack of capitals on "canon"? Those must be the 1Ds prototypes, then. Really, really big. (canon != cannon.... see title of my response.)

11-19-2011, 07:41 AM	#1344
Unsinkable II Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,352	Originally posted by jackseh I've met a lot of pentaxians who only use liveview mode with their K-r. Ironically, most of them came from DSLR backgrounds (note not SLR). Liveview with contrast detect focus is how they use their K-r to get critically sharp pictures. The use of reflect mirrors and manual focusing by eye is going to be a lost art very soon, replaced by these on-screen focusing aids. My friend with his top-of-the-line Canon now uses liveview magnification for all his portrait shots (85/1.4 usually). Gotta say, they are tack sharp and very impressive, but no good with moving children!

11-19-2011, 07:48 AM	#1345
Unsinkable II Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,352	Originally posted by Ben_Edict The PZ-1p was big, heavy and had a slow AF. Ben Seriously?? Effing awesome AF speed would be my take.

11-19-2011, 09:43 AM	#1347
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by Emacs You are trying to be too stupid This is a known fact: the NEX-5n has microlenses offset on its edges (like ones of Leica M9, Fuji X100, Ricoh GXR) and this improved wide angle lenses performance much. The NEX-7 doesn't have it, and the difference is huge: Sony NEX-7 with wide angle Leica lenses – A quick test and Ricoh GXR A12 Comparison! \| STEVE HUFF PHOTOS I noticed, this 16mm pancake on NEX-5n outperforms the 15Ltd on K-5 in terms of resolution, especially on edges. Nothing amazing, of course. Well known fact of how the small flange distance reduces the complexity of wide angle lenses design. does this mean the NX200 has microlenses as well? although it's jpeg is not what we call in the same level as that of the NEX-5n but the RAW certainly are pretty even match. or is it because of higher resolution for the NX200? or is it because the 16mm NX lens is just really sharp?

11-19-2011, 10:12 AM	#1348
Emacs Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,223	Originally posted by Pentaxor does this mean the NX200 has microlenses as well? although it's jpeg is not what we call in the same level as that of the NEX-5n but the RAW certainly are pretty even match. or is it because of higher resolution for the NX200? or is it because the 16mm NX lens is just really sharp? 16mm samsung is better than one of sony without a doubt. Don't know about shifted microlenses, but most likely it has. They have already suffered from the edge problem with their 20mm pancake, and this solution is the most effective.

11-19-2011, 01:36 PM	#1349
WyldRage Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Québec Posts: 39	Originally posted by Emacs 16mm samsung is better than one of sony without a doubt. Have you seen a review of it? As far as I know, it hasn't been released yet.

11-19-2011, 01:59 PM	#1350
Ben_Edict Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SouthWest "Regio" Photos: Albums Posts: 3,309	Originally posted by Unsinkable II Seriously?? Effing awesome AF speed would be my take. The Canons of that day and the Minoltas too, easily outperformed the PZ-1p. I have the PZ-1p since the day it was released and I went throught a lot of other bodies, as I reviewed cameras and lenses for a major newspaper over app. a 15 year period. And Pentax was always trailing in the AF-speed department in my experience. That is until now! The K-5 is the first ever Pentax, that won the AF race in German photo mag ColorFoto and came out first before CaNiSo, It was not only faster, but also more reliable, than the rest. And the Kr, which I recently bought as a small snapshot camera is performing admireably in the AF dept., too. Ben