Pentax Full Frame - An official statement from Pentax (they listened!)

jsherman999 · 02-01-2012, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by fikkser

OK.

K-30 seems to have the k-5 body? If that is what has been posted with the DA 40 XS on it. It's silver - but with another grip than the k-5 silver. Any other differences you can see?

K-3 ???? FF with autocrop and new bigger and better body?

PENTAX K-01 & smc PENTAX-DA 40mmF2.8 XS - Official Embargo Date: 2/2/2012 - Page 3

Where are you seeing that information (K-30, etc) in that link?

fikkser · 02-01-2012, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by jsherman999

Where are you seeing that information (K-30, etc) in that link?

got it printed on my screen with a pencil. made some ugly marks, but it looks credible. I can not make a screenshot, sorry.

No. Just the rumor that the K-30/k-300 DSLR (k-r replacement) is coming. K-300 = weatherseal as k200, k-30 as k-7 was called when it was rumored. The body is great, why not use it for the new k-r? Just speculations as 99% of the things written on these forums. One can hope. Doesn't it seem logical?

Edvinas · 02-01-2012, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by fikkser

OK.

K-30 seems to have the k-5 body? If that is what has been posted with the DA 40 XS on it. It's silver - but with another grip than the k-5 silver. Any other differences you can see?

K-3 ???? FF with autocrop and new bigger and better body?

PENTAX K-01 & smc PENTAX-DA 40mmF2.8 XS - Official Embargo Date: 2/2/2012 - Page 3

Isn't K-5 silver edition in the fist picture there?

zosxavius · 02-01-2012, 11:41 PM - **2 Likes**

To the people who claim evfs are better. Take it from me. I used to swear that the evfs in my cameras were superior....then I started using glass again. There are a multitude of areas where an ovf is superior. It is uncluttered for one. Secondly fast moving action is nearly impossible to track with a zoom and an evf. With an ovf you can keep a bead on things pretty steadily. Also evfs suck in low light, and I don't see that getting much better anytime soon. With an ovf, composing in almost pitch darkness is easy, especially with a pentaprism. I like many, many professionals would prefer an ovf. I can set exposure compensation as needed. I don't need to see the exposure before I shoot. I don't need distractions. I want a clear field of view. I know I'm not alone.

Chex · 02-01-2012, 11:42 PM

Yup, Silver Edition K-5 with the new DA40 XS on it, very sharp setup!

Freak · 02-06-2012, 05:11 PM

If Pentax had ever really listened, we would be welcoming our new Pentax FX-1 full frame 36mp camera with ISO 50 and 16bit images, as the D800 has been announced with. I love Pentax, but I'd love them a whole lot more if I could save up for one of these: The continual denial of fulframe has today really sunk into my guts... Why didn't I buy Nikon...

Nikon D800 – New pictures

joe.penn · 02-06-2012, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by Freak

Why didn't I buy Nikon...

Sony will be releasing their FF body soon and it will be cheaper than the D800 - that is the one to keep a watch for...

Freak · 02-06-2012, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by joe.penn

Sony will be releasing their FF body soon and it will be cheaper than the D800 - that is the one to keep a watch for...

This is supposedly the Sony sensor that Nikon is using. Which means this is the one to keep an eye out for, Sony make great sensors but only average cameras thus far.

joe.penn · 02-06-2012, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Freak

Sony make great sensors but only average cameras thus far.

Really? Lmao -> Sony Alpha DSLR-A900 SLR Digital Camera (Body Only) DSLR-A900 | Ya, just average, too funny...

Freak · 02-06-2012, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by joe.penn

Really? Ya, just average, too funny...

Umm, Nikon and Pentax get more out of the Sony APS-C 16Mp sensor thus far compared to Sony themselves, so my point is well known. Nikon and Canons full frame cameras are considered leagues above the Sony A850 and A900, so much so only a fool would debate otherwise. So I won't argue with your obvious amazing knowledge. But I would happily take the D800 over the old A900 anyday, ISO50 and 16bit images equal drool worthy, especially if it's a Sony sensor.

zosxavius · 02-06-2012, 06:29 PM - **1 Like**

If you ask me, pentax initially bet the farm on aps-c because, in all likelihood, they coldnt sustain two seperate lines. With ricoh this very well might change as ricoh has the pockets to build a ff system. The continual discontinuation of ff lenses should say everything. Look. At. The. Q versus say the nikon or fuji system. The q looks like they took an off the shelf sensor that was cheap and built a camera around it. The smallest sensor? Really? $700 is a lot for a toy camera. Especially when you could buy m43. For a lit less. Especially when you can. Buy a k5 for not much more. The. K-1 is priced about the same! Madness! I'm hoping ricoh restores some sanity here. Sorry for any typos. I'm on my phone.

joe.penn · 02-06-2012, 06:41 PM

Originally posted by Freak

Nikon and Canons full frame cameras are considered leagues above the Sony A850 and A900, so much so only a fool would debate otherwise

Really? Just as Canon & Nikon Cropped are leagues above Pentax, only a fool would debate? (we here that one too)

Originally posted by Freak

So I won't argue with your obvious amazing knowledge. But I would happily take the D800 over the old A900 anyday

Um - who wouldn't seeing that the Sony Sensor in the D800 is an upgraded sensor from the A900 and the newest sensor that is gonna be in the upcoming (yet to be released) new Sony FF body...

sonyalpharumors | Blog | (SR4) Sony FF with 36 Megapixel sensor coming early 2012 (Nikon D800 with same sensor).

In short, seeing that Sony is a premier manufacturer of sensors both cropped and FF and Sony seems to have a fairly complete lineup, the only average bodies seem to be the Pentax ones we are using...

joe.penn · 02-06-2012, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by zosxavius

Madness! I'm hoping ricoh restores some sanity here

Me too!

**Aristophanes** · 02-06-2012, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by joe.penn

In short, seeing that Sony is a premier manufacturer of sensors both cropped and FF and Sony seems to have a fairly complete lineup, the only average bodies seem to be the Pentax ones we are using...

The rumours are that Nikon will have an OVF D800 and that Sony is taking FF with an SLT at a lower price point than Nikon. If Sony abandons the OVF, that's an issue for Sony.

As I have pointed ou many times on this forum, all indications are that Nikon, who buy 100% of Sony's FF sensors over the last year, have a "special" deal with Sony. It certainly appears that way. I doubt Pentax can simply knock on Sony's door and buy FF sensors. Industrial supply with co-developed tech doesn't work to that simple sales model.

I also suspect that the D700 may continue in production for Nikon, occupying the lower FF price point.

Pentaxor · 02-06-2012, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

The rumours are that Nikon will have an OVF D800 and that Sony is taking FF with an SLT at a lower price point than Nikon. If Sony abandons the OVF, that's an issue for Sony.

As I have pointed ou many times on this forum, all indications are that Nikon, who buy 100% of Sony's FF sensors over the last year, have a "special" deal with Sony. It certainly appears that way. I doubt Pentax can simply knock on Sony's door and buy FF sensors. Industrial supply with co-developed tech doesn't work to that simple sales model.

I also suspect that the D700 may continue in production for Nikon, occupying the lower FF price point.

wait, FF SLT? are they still on crack?

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02-01-2012, 09:45 AM	#2356
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by fikkser OK. K-30 seems to have the k-5 body? If that is what has been posted with the DA 40 XS on it. It's silver - but with another grip than the k-5 silver. Any other differences you can see? K-3 ???? FF with autocrop and new bigger and better body? PENTAX K-01 & smc PENTAX-DA 40mmF2.8 XS - Official Embargo Date: 2/2/2012 - Page 3 Where are you seeing that information (K-30, etc) in that link?

02-01-2012, 09:56 AM	#2357
fikkser Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Borlänge, Sweden Posts: 373	Originally posted by jsherman999 Where are you seeing that information (K-30, etc) in that link? got it printed on my screen with a pencil. made some ugly marks, but it looks credible. I can not make a screenshot, sorry. No. Just the rumor that the K-30/k-300 DSLR (k-r replacement) is coming. K-300 = weatherseal as k200, k-30 as k-7 was called when it was rumored. The body is great, why not use it for the new k-r? Just speculations as 99% of the things written on these forums. One can hope. Doesn't it seem logical?

02-01-2012, 01:32 PM	#2358
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	Originally posted by fikkser OK. K-30 seems to have the k-5 body? If that is what has been posted with the DA 40 XS on it. It's silver - but with another grip than the k-5 silver. Any other differences you can see? K-3 ???? FF with autocrop and new bigger and better body? PENTAX K-01 & smc PENTAX-DA 40mmF2.8 XS - Official Embargo Date: 2/2/2012 - Page 3 Isn't K-5 silver edition in the fist picture there?

02-01-2012, 11:41 PM - 2 Likes	#2359
zosxavius Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Somewhere, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 458	To the people who claim evfs are better. Take it from me. I used to swear that the evfs in my cameras were superior....then I started using glass again. There are a multitude of areas where an ovf is superior. It is uncluttered for one. Secondly fast moving action is nearly impossible to track with a zoom and an evf. With an ovf you can keep a bead on things pretty steadily. Also evfs suck in low light, and I don't see that getting much better anytime soon. With an ovf, composing in almost pitch darkness is easy, especially with a pentaprism. I like many, many professionals would prefer an ovf. I can set exposure compensation as needed. I don't need to see the exposure before I shoot. I don't need distractions. I want a clear field of view. I know I'm not alone.

02-01-2012, 11:42 PM	#2360
Chex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The 'Stoke, British Columbia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,678	Yup, Silver Edition K-5 with the new DA40 XS on it, very sharp setup!

02-06-2012, 05:11 PM	#2361
Freak Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 361	If Pentax had ever really listened, we would be welcoming our new Pentax FX-1 full frame 36mp camera with ISO 50 and 16bit images, as the D800 has been announced with. I love Pentax, but I'd love them a whole lot more if I could save up for one of these: The continual denial of fulframe has today really sunk into my guts... Why didn't I buy Nikon... Nikon D800 – New pictures

02-06-2012, 05:13 PM	#2362
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by Freak Why didn't I buy Nikon... Sony will be releasing their FF body soon and it will be cheaper than the D800 - that is the one to keep a watch for...

02-06-2012, 05:30 PM	#2363
Freak Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 361	Originally posted by joe.penn Sony will be releasing their FF body soon and it will be cheaper than the D800 - that is the one to keep a watch for... This is supposedly the Sony sensor that Nikon is using. Which means this is the one to keep an eye out for, Sony make great sensors but only average cameras thus far.

02-06-2012, 05:42 PM	#2364
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by Freak Sony make great sensors but only average cameras thus far. Really? Lmao -> Sony Alpha DSLR-A900 SLR Digital Camera (Body Only) DSLR-A900 \| Ya, just average, too funny...

02-06-2012, 06:14 PM	#2365
Freak Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 361	Originally posted by joe.penn Really? Ya, just average, too funny... Umm, Nikon and Pentax get more out of the Sony APS-C 16Mp sensor thus far compared to Sony themselves, so my point is well known. Nikon and Canons full frame cameras are considered leagues above the Sony A850 and A900, so much so only a fool would debate otherwise. So I won't argue with your obvious amazing knowledge. But I would happily take the D800 over the old A900 anyday, ISO50 and 16bit images equal drool worthy, especially if it's a Sony sensor.

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02-06-2012, 06:29 PM - 1 Like	#2366
zosxavius Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Somewhere, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 458	If you ask me, pentax initially bet the farm on aps-c because, in all likelihood, they coldnt sustain two seperate lines. With ricoh this very well might change as ricoh has the pockets to build a ff system. The continual discontinuation of ff lenses should say everything. Look. At. The. Q versus say the nikon or fuji system. The q looks like they took an off the shelf sensor that was cheap and built a camera around it. The smallest sensor? Really? $700 is a lot for a toy camera. Especially when you could buy m43. For a lit less. Especially when you can. Buy a k5 for not much more. The. K-1 is priced about the same! Madness! I'm hoping ricoh restores some sanity here. Sorry for any typos. I'm on my phone.

02-06-2012, 06:41 PM	#2367
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by Freak Nikon and Canons full frame cameras are considered leagues above the Sony A850 and A900, so much so only a fool would debate otherwise Really? Just as Canon & Nikon Cropped are leagues above Pentax, only a fool would debate? (we here that one too) Originally posted by Freak So I won't argue with your obvious amazing knowledge. But I would happily take the D800 over the old A900 anyday Um - who wouldn't seeing that the Sony Sensor in the D800 is an upgraded sensor from the A900 and the newest sensor that is gonna be in the upcoming (yet to be released) new Sony FF body... sonyalpharumors \| Blog \| (SR4) Sony FF with 36 Megapixel sensor coming early 2012 (Nikon D800 with same sensor). In short, seeing that Sony is a premier manufacturer of sensors both cropped and FF and Sony seems to have a fairly complete lineup, the only average bodies seem to be the Pentax ones we are using...

02-06-2012, 06:44 PM	#2368
joe.penn Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Maryland (Right Outside Washington DC) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,902	Originally posted by zosxavius Madness! I'm hoping ricoh restores some sanity here Me too!

02-06-2012, 08:53 PM	#2369
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by joe.penn In short, seeing that Sony is a premier manufacturer of sensors both cropped and FF and Sony seems to have a fairly complete lineup, the only average bodies seem to be the Pentax ones we are using... The rumours are that Nikon will have an OVF D800 and that Sony is taking FF with an SLT at a lower price point than Nikon. If Sony abandons the OVF, that's an issue for Sony. As I have pointed ou many times on this forum, all indications are that Nikon, who buy 100% of Sony's FF sensors over the last year, have a "special" deal with Sony. It certainly appears that way. I doubt Pentax can simply knock on Sony's door and buy FF sensors. Industrial supply with co-developed tech doesn't work to that simple sales model. I also suspect that the D700 may continue in production for Nikon, occupying the lower FF price point.

02-06-2012, 10:28 PM	#2370
Pentaxor Veteran Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,513	Originally posted by Aristophanes The rumours are that Nikon will have an OVF D800 and that Sony is taking FF with an SLT at a lower price point than Nikon. If Sony abandons the OVF, that's an issue for Sony. As I have pointed ou many times on this forum, all indications are that Nikon, who buy 100% of Sony's FF sensors over the last year, have a "special" deal with Sony. It certainly appears that way. I doubt Pentax can simply knock on Sony's door and buy FF sensors. Industrial supply with co-developed tech doesn't work to that simple sales model. I also suspect that the D700 may continue in production for Nikon, occupying the lower FF price point. wait, FF SLT? are they still on crack?