Pentax Full Frame - An official statement from Pentax (they listened!)

Mistral75 · 06-14-2012, 03:40 AM

This new rumour is quite plausible: Sony Exmor HD 24 Mpixels sensor (same as Sony Alpha 99's and Nikon D600's), standard zoom to go along, dedicated grip, new flash, announcement during Photokina.

The only odd bit is the one about Sony's exclusivity on the sensor: the Nikon D600 is said to share the same 24 Mpixels sensor and photos of D600 are beginning to float around, see Ì©¹ú¹¤³§D600. May be Pentax did not want to pay the price requested by Sony to use this sensor from day one?

What makes me cautious is the (supposed) source of this rumour: the OP in the Xitek thread http://www.dchome.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1149840 says 朋友相機店舖職員 which means, if I am not mistaken "a friend of mine who works in a camera shop". Anyway...

parsons · 06-14-2012, 03:40 AM

Quote:

world's most compact Full Frame

YES! small to go with the FA limiteds. WR flashgun hopefully too!
canikon watch out...

mecrox · 06-14-2012, 03:49 AM

DPR has a piece saying that Nikon have just announced a cheap-range FF 24-85mm VR zoom ($599) which would be odd unless they had a cheaper FF body in mind for it. In which case Pentax may well have to issue an FF body fairly soon to avoid behind left behind and/or see their high-end APS-C sales suffer.

aurele · 06-14-2012, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by mecrox

which would be odd unless they had a cheaper FF body in mind for it.

they have. the D600 production is already running

RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: D600 is Really Coming, Pentax?

First leaked Nikon D600 images | Nikon Rumors

All that is so exciting

parsons · 06-14-2012, 04:10 AM

Originally posted by aurele

they have. the D600 production is already running

RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: D600 is Really Coming, Pentax?

First leaked Nikon D600 images | Nikon Rumors

All that is so exciting

i wouldn't be surprised if in ten years there are only FF Dslrs and all APSCs are mirrorless. very exiting

parsons · 06-14-2012, 04:17 AM

If the D600 is a little bit bigger than K-5, pentax won't have much room to make it the smallest FF body. Unless they omit the top LCD- which i don't think they could do. I'm sceptical.

really though, pentax need to move fast or be left behind

aurele · 06-14-2012, 04:25 AM

Originally posted by parsons

really though, pentax need to move fast or be left behind

i can't agree more. And Ricoh too i think. Maybe they knew that the day the bought Pentax.

Ricoh, can you tease us please ?

now that i have a full kit that cover 18mm to 200mm in FF (yes 18mm on FF) i'd love to use it on a FF DSLR

**Aristophanes** · 06-14-2012, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by parsons

If the D600 is a little bit bigger than K-5, pentax won't have much room to make it the smallest FF body. Unless they omit the top LCD- which i don't think they could do. I'm sceptical.

really though, pentax need to move fast or be left behind

The D600 is expected to be about the same size as the D300, maybe a bit larger. I bet the Pentax will come in very close to that size as well.

I have long suspected that Nikon has a sweetheart deal with Sony on FF sensors. This rumor (and that's all it is) confirms.

MouLaG Ôfr · 06-14-2012, 04:46 AM

Originally posted by aurele

now that i have a full kit that cover 18mm to 200mm in FF (yes 18mm on FF) i'd love to use it on a FF DSLR

Oh ! I'm left behind. My "kit" goes only from 28 to 400mm in FF

areidjr · 06-14-2012, 04:47 AM

Originally posted by aurele

i can't agree more. And Ricoh too i think. Maybe they knew that the day the bought Pentax.

Ricoh, can you tease us please ?

now that i have a full kit that cover 18mm to 200mm in FF (yes 18mm on FF) i'd love to use it on a FF DSLR

I have FF glass covering 18-500mm. I want a FF body if only for the larger, brighter VF.

**Aristophanes** · 06-14-2012, 05:56 AM

The real threat from Nikon appears to be they are delivering a $599 FF 24-85 "kit" lens as well:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/14/Nikon-Nikkor-24-85mm-F3-5-4-5-G

Now, 24mm as a starting lens system at a reasonable price is a real driver of competition. If Pentax can only offer a 28mm, they'll be behind before they even get started.

aurele · 06-14-2012, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by MouLaG Ôfr

Oh ! I'm left behind. My "kit" goes only from 28 to 400mm in FF

Well, i don't need big guns so i went the other way

Originally posted by areidjr

I want a FF body if only for the larger, brighter VF.

me too !

Originally posted by Aristophanes

Now, 24mm as a starting lens system at a reasonable price is a real driver of competition. If Pentax can only offer a 28mm, they'll be behind before they even get started.

Well, a FF line up cannot be build in one day ... but need to be done fast !

parsons · 06-14-2012, 06:20 AM

if pentax produce a FF camera the same size, but with shake reduction then they will have the most compact weather sealed pro level body on the market, and that will look very good on adverts

eddie1960 · 06-14-2012, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

The real threat from Nikon appears to be they are delivering a $599 FF 24-85 "kit" lens as well:

Nikon announces AF-S Nikkor 24-85mm F3.5-4.5G ED VR affordable full-frame lens: Digital Photography Review

Now, 24mm as a starting lens system at a reasonable price is a real driver of competition. If Pentax can only offer a 28mm, they'll be behind before they even get started.

that is a hell of a starting Price point for a kit zoom. Nikon really seems to be firing on all cylinders this year.I think they must be fed up with being #2

eddie1960 · 06-14-2012, 06:24 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

The D600 is expected to be about the same size as the D300, maybe a bit larger. I bet the Pentax will come in very close to that size as well.

I have long suspected that Nikon has a sweetheart deal with Sony on FF sensors. This rumor (and that's all it is) confirms.

from the looks of the leaked pictures it looks more like a D7000, and it has been rumoured to be a FF D7000 essentially

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06-14-2012, 03:40 AM	#2641
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	This new rumour is quite plausible: Sony Exmor HD 24 Mpixels sensor (same as Sony Alpha 99's and Nikon D600's), standard zoom to go along, dedicated grip, new flash, announcement during Photokina. The only odd bit is the one about Sony's exclusivity on the sensor: the Nikon D600 is said to share the same 24 Mpixels sensor and photos of D600 are beginning to float around, see Ì©¹ú¹¤³§D600. May be Pentax did not want to pay the price requested by Sony to use this sensor from day one? What makes me cautious is the (supposed) source of this rumour: the OP in the Xitek thread http://www.dchome.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1149840 says 朋友相機店舖職員 which means, if I am not mistaken "a friend of mine who works in a camera shop". Anyway...

06-14-2012, 03:40 AM	#2642
parsons Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	Quote: world's most compact Full Frame YES! small to go with the FA limiteds. WR flashgun hopefully too! canikon watch out...

06-14-2012, 03:49 AM	#2643
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	DPR has a piece saying that Nikon have just announced a cheap-range FF 24-85mm VR zoom ($599) which would be odd unless they had a cheaper FF body in mind for it. In which case Pentax may well have to issue an FF body fairly soon to avoid behind left behind and/or see their high-end APS-C sales suffer.

06-14-2012, 04:03 AM	#2644
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by mecrox which would be odd unless they had a cheaper FF body in mind for it. they have. the D600 production is already running RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: D600 is Really Coming, Pentax? First leaked Nikon D600 images \| Nikon Rumors All that is so exciting

06-14-2012, 04:10 AM	#2645
parsons Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	Originally posted by aurele they have. the D600 production is already running RiceHigh's Pentax Blog: D600 is Really Coming, Pentax? First leaked Nikon D600 images \| Nikon Rumors All that is so exciting i wouldn't be surprised if in ten years there are only FF Dslrs and all APSCs are mirrorless. very exiting

06-14-2012, 04:17 AM	#2646
parsons Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	If the D600 is a little bit bigger than K-5, pentax won't have much room to make it the smallest FF body. Unless they omit the top LCD- which i don't think they could do. I'm sceptical. really though, pentax need to move fast or be left behind

06-14-2012, 04:25 AM	#2647
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by parsons really though, pentax need to move fast or be left behind i can't agree more. And Ricoh too i think. Maybe they knew that the day the bought Pentax. Ricoh, can you tease us please ? now that i have a full kit that cover 18mm to 200mm in FF (yes 18mm on FF) i'd love to use it on a FF DSLR

06-14-2012, 04:38 AM	#2648
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by parsons If the D600 is a little bit bigger than K-5, pentax won't have much room to make it the smallest FF body. Unless they omit the top LCD- which i don't think they could do. I'm sceptical. really though, pentax need to move fast or be left behind The D600 is expected to be about the same size as the D300, maybe a bit larger. I bet the Pentax will come in very close to that size as well. I have long suspected that Nikon has a sweetheart deal with Sony on FF sensors. This rumor (and that's all it is) confirms.

06-14-2012, 04:46 AM	#2649
MouLaG Ôfr Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Brussels Posts: 103	Originally posted by aurele now that i have a full kit that cover 18mm to 200mm in FF (yes 18mm on FF) i'd love to use it on a FF DSLR Oh ! I'm left behind. My "kit" goes only from 28 to 400mm in FF

06-14-2012, 04:47 AM	#2650
areidjr Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 529	Originally posted by aurele i can't agree more. And Ricoh too i think. Maybe they knew that the day the bought Pentax. Ricoh, can you tease us please ? now that i have a full kit that cover 18mm to 200mm in FF (yes 18mm on FF) i'd love to use it on a FF DSLR I have FF glass covering 18-500mm. I want a FF body if only for the larger, brighter VF.

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06-14-2012, 05:56 AM	#2651
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	The real threat from Nikon appears to be they are delivering a $599 FF 24-85 "kit" lens as well: http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/06/14/Nikon-Nikkor-24-85mm-F3-5-4-5-G Now, 24mm as a starting lens system at a reasonable price is a real driver of competition. If Pentax can only offer a 28mm, they'll be behind before they even get started.

06-14-2012, 06:08 AM	#2652
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by MouLaG Ôfr Oh ! I'm left behind. My "kit" goes only from 28 to 400mm in FF Well, i don't need big guns so i went the other way Originally posted by areidjr I want a FF body if only for the larger, brighter VF. me too ! Originally posted by Aristophanes Now, 24mm as a starting lens system at a reasonable price is a real driver of competition. If Pentax can only offer a 28mm, they'll be behind before they even get started. Well, a FF line up cannot be build in one day ... but need to be done fast !

06-14-2012, 06:20 AM	#2653
parsons Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	if pentax produce a FF camera the same size, but with shake reduction then they will have the most compact weather sealed pro level body on the market, and that will look very good on adverts

06-14-2012, 06:22 AM	#2654
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Aristophanes The real threat from Nikon appears to be they are delivering a $599 FF 24-85 "kit" lens as well: Nikon announces AF-S Nikkor 24-85mm F3.5-4.5G ED VR affordable full-frame lens: Digital Photography Review Now, 24mm as a starting lens system at a reasonable price is a real driver of competition. If Pentax can only offer a 28mm, they'll be behind before they even get started. that is a hell of a starting Price point for a kit zoom. Nikon really seems to be firing on all cylinders this year.I think they must be fed up with being #2

06-14-2012, 06:24 AM	#2655
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Aristophanes The D600 is expected to be about the same size as the D300, maybe a bit larger. I bet the Pentax will come in very close to that size as well. I have long suspected that Nikon has a sweetheart deal with Sony on FF sensors. This rumor (and that's all it is) confirms. from the looks of the leaked pictures it looks more like a D7000, and it has been rumoured to be a FF D7000 essentially