Pentax Full Frame - An official statement from Pentax (they listened!)

Mistral75 · 06-14-2012, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

from the looks of the leaked pictures it looks more like a D7000, and it has been rumoured to be a FF D7000 essentially

Indeed, the D600 is a D7000 with a 24x36 sensor as the D700 was a D300 with a 24x36 sensor.

eddie1960 · 06-14-2012, 07:04 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Indeed, the D600 is a D7000 with a 24x36 sensor as the D700 was a D300 with a 24x36 sensor.

And of course a bigger better OVF

Anvh · 06-14-2012, 07:09 AM

There is still a D400 in the planning though as far as i know.

eddie1960 · 06-14-2012, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

There is still a D400 in the planning though as far as i know.

I know, and it is rumoured at $1799 - which is why I think the D600 price rumour is wrong (I can certainly see them releasing it though - but a start price of 2199-2299 makes more sense in light of the D400 price rumour

kenyee · 06-14-2012, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

The D600 is expected to be about the same size as the D300, maybe a bit larger. I bet the Pentax will come in very close to that size as well.

I'd agree w/ everyone else...the D600 looks roughly the size of the D7000....they also took out the PC port which seems an odd thing to do for a camera this expensive.
And I'm not sure the D600 isn't weathersealed...the D7000 is, though not as well as the K-5, leagues better than the old K10D vs. D80 comparison.

If the Pentax rumors are true, $2800 is going to be too high...it'll be competing w/ the $2K-ish D600 which will also be smallish...
I'm hoping they record in a video format that's a bit higher resolution than 1080p so the various software image stabilizers work.

Looking forward to March :-)

Anvh · 06-14-2012, 08:31 AM

I think the difference in price might not be that large though.
You need to look at the performance and features of the whole camera to see why you would want a D400 and not D600.

Actually you can compare them a bit now, just compare the D7000 with the D300s besides the larger sensor there isn't much difference between the D7000 an D600 by the looks of it.

Anvh · 06-14-2012, 08:32 AM

Originally posted by kenyee

I'd agree w/ everyone else...the D600 looks roughly the size of the D7000....they also took out the PC port which seems an odd thing to do for a camera this expensive.

This the point i'm trying to make above, the D600 is clearly a entry level camera so some features need to go to make it cheap.
Most likely some buttons will also disappear maybe making it look like the K30 vs K5 when it comes to interface changes.

parsons · 06-14-2012, 08:34 AM

When these are released you can bet there will be a mass exodus of people from all brands to nikon provided the price is right.

Anvh · 06-14-2012, 09:00 AM

If FF is important then yes but the quality of APS-C has reach such a level that such a move is questionable if you ask me.
Sure it would be lovely to use FA77 on fullframe but you can't use the FA77 on nikon so it doesn't matter much.

RonHendriks1966 · 06-14-2012, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

I know, and it is rumoured at $1799 - which is why I think the D600 price rumour is wrong (I can certainly see them releasing it though - but a start price of 2199-2299 makes more sense in light of the D400 price rumour

Well if D400 is a state of the art sportscamera to company the D4 in every sportsphotographers bag then the price can be very hi, as long as it delivers on that. Maybe they put in also QXD cardslot to take 12 fps with AF-c. Then that camera is different enough from D7000 and D600 to be separate in the list and having the same price as a full frame camera.

mecrox · 06-14-2012, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

If FF is important then yes but the quality of APS-C has reach such a level that such a move is questionable if you ask me.
Sure it would be lovely to use FA77 on fullframe but you can't use the FA77 on nikon so it doesn't matter much.

True but no one wants to find they've got stuck in a format which has become a poor relation and generally taken downmarket so that quality components for it are no longer available - say, three years down the line. The user base on APS-C is vast, of course, but then once upon a time that was true of film cameras. If the industry as a whole decides to go for FF - for financial reasons - then eventually users won't have much choice anyway. It will be FF or something below where APS-C now is. Say I jump ship now for Nikon. If I choose lenses carefully, I can place myself for APS-C on a D400 or FF on a D600 depending on what pans out with a single suite of lenses bar only one: a 24mm or wider (on APS-C). It is currently much, much harder to do that on Pentax except by forking out for the very expensive FA "three amigo" lenses and there is no really wide FF-capable prime at all.

Looking down the line, I feel this is a potential problem for Pentax. unlike Nikon, they haven't spent 2-3 years planning for a major market change and quietly lining up a range of affordable FF lenses - or so it appears. We can't be sure, of course. The next 12-18 months will be crucial for Pentax, imho, a period when they were able to cement their place as a credible, vibrant #3 or blew it and become just another another-ran as the market changed. Which is why the current affair over pricing is unfortunate, perhaps. Not the best moment to upset your retailers and customers generally.

As everything else on here, just unsubstantiated opinion. I might leave Pentax, though, if poor Mr Bunnell is found to have hatched a plot to kidnap the Muppets and sell them into slavery. He seems to have been accused of just about everything else.

ogl · 06-14-2012, 10:24 AM

Pentax K-3 Announced - Pentax Camera News & Rumors - PentaxForums.com
do you remember this specs?

**Aristophanes** · 06-14-2012, 10:26 AM

Originally posted by mattdm

It might be able to, but not with current technology.

Originally posted by Anvh

This the point i'm trying to make above, the D600 is clearly a entry level camera so some features need to go to make it cheap.
Most likely some buttons will also disappear maybe making it look like the K30 vs K5 when it comes to interface changes.

A $2,000+ camera (and lenses) is nowhere near "entry level" in any market for a consumer electronics item.

Looking at the Nikon line-up, I call it coming in at @ US$2,399 body only, and $2,899 with the new FX 24-85 VR lens (save $100).

Therefore I predict the Pentax offer will come 6 months after the D600/Sony A99 (sweetheart deal) at the exact same price points.

ogl · 06-14-2012, 10:29 AM

Pentax FF will have higher specs and price than D600.

Anvh · 06-14-2012, 10:49 AM

We all take a risk with our choices.

If pentax decide to invest in FF and fail to be competitive and they lost a lot of money what will then be left of the brand?
Ever up side has a down side.

If you go with nikon and decide to play it safe like you say then you're always making compromises because your lens needs to fit the requirements of you and since the lenses have different AOV on each format you will be all over the place.

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06-14-2012, 07:00 AM	#2656
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by eddie1960 from the looks of the leaked pictures it looks more like a D7000, and it has been rumoured to be a FF D7000 essentially Indeed, the D600 is a D7000 with a 24x36 sensor as the D700 was a D300 with a 24x36 sensor.

06-14-2012, 07:04 AM	#2657
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Mistral75 Indeed, the D600 is a D7000 with a 24x36 sensor as the D700 was a D300 with a 24x36 sensor. And of course a bigger better OVF

06-14-2012, 07:09 AM	#2658
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	There is still a D400 in the planning though as far as i know.

06-14-2012, 07:16 AM	#2659
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by Anvh There is still a D400 in the planning though as far as i know. I know, and it is rumoured at $1799 - which is why I think the D600 price rumour is wrong (I can certainly see them releasing it though - but a start price of 2199-2299 makes more sense in light of the D400 price rumour

06-14-2012, 08:18 AM	#2660
kenyee Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Boston, PRofMA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,026	Originally posted by Aristophanes The D600 is expected to be about the same size as the D300, maybe a bit larger. I bet the Pentax will come in very close to that size as well. I'd agree w/ everyone else...the D600 looks roughly the size of the D7000....they also took out the PC port which seems an odd thing to do for a camera this expensive. And I'm not sure the D600 isn't weathersealed...the D7000 is, though not as well as the K-5, leagues better than the old K10D vs. D80 comparison. If the Pentax rumors are true, $2800 is going to be too high...it'll be competing w/ the $2K-ish D600 which will also be smallish... I'm hoping they record in a video format that's a bit higher resolution than 1080p so the various software image stabilizers work. Looking forward to March :-)

06-14-2012, 08:31 AM	#2661
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	I think the difference in price might not be that large though. You need to look at the performance and features of the whole camera to see why you would want a D400 and not D600. Actually you can compare them a bit now, just compare the D7000 with the D300s besides the larger sensor there isn't much difference between the D7000 an D600 by the looks of it.

06-14-2012, 08:32 AM	#2662
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by kenyee I'd agree w/ everyone else...the D600 looks roughly the size of the D7000....they also took out the PC port which seems an odd thing to do for a camera this expensive. This the point i'm trying to make above, the D600 is clearly a entry level camera so some features need to go to make it cheap. Most likely some buttons will also disappear maybe making it look like the K30 vs K5 when it comes to interface changes.

06-14-2012, 08:34 AM	#2663
parsons Inactive Account Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	When these are released you can bet there will be a mass exodus of people from all brands to nikon provided the price is right.

06-14-2012, 09:00 AM	#2664
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	If FF is important then yes but the quality of APS-C has reach such a level that such a move is questionable if you ask me. Sure it would be lovely to use FA77 on fullframe but you can't use the FA77 on nikon so it doesn't matter much.

06-14-2012, 09:25 AM	#2665
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by eddie1960 I know, and it is rumoured at $1799 - which is why I think the D600 price rumour is wrong (I can certainly see them releasing it though - but a start price of 2199-2299 makes more sense in light of the D400 price rumour Well if D400 is a state of the art sportscamera to company the D4 in every sportsphotographers bag then the price can be very hi, as long as it delivers on that. Maybe they put in also QXD cardslot to take 12 fps with AF-c. Then that camera is different enough from D7000 and D600 to be separate in the list and having the same price as a full frame camera.

06-14-2012, 09:34 AM	#2666
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by Anvh If FF is important then yes but the quality of APS-C has reach such a level that such a move is questionable if you ask me. Sure it would be lovely to use FA77 on fullframe but you can't use the FA77 on nikon so it doesn't matter much. True but no one wants to find they've got stuck in a format which has become a poor relation and generally taken downmarket so that quality components for it are no longer available - say, three years down the line. The user base on APS-C is vast, of course, but then once upon a time that was true of film cameras. If the industry as a whole decides to go for FF - for financial reasons - then eventually users won't have much choice anyway. It will be FF or something below where APS-C now is. Say I jump ship now for Nikon. If I choose lenses carefully, I can place myself for APS-C on a D400 or FF on a D600 depending on what pans out with a single suite of lenses bar only one: a 24mm or wider (on APS-C). It is currently much, much harder to do that on Pentax except by forking out for the very expensive FA "three amigo" lenses and there is no really wide FF-capable prime at all. Looking down the line, I feel this is a potential problem for Pentax. unlike Nikon, they haven't spent 2-3 years planning for a major market change and quietly lining up a range of affordable FF lenses - or so it appears. We can't be sure, of course. The next 12-18 months will be crucial for Pentax, imho, a period when they were able to cement their place as a credible, vibrant #3 or blew it and become just another another-ran as the market changed. Which is why the current affair over pricing is unfortunate, perhaps. Not the best moment to upset your retailers and customers generally. As everything else on here, just unsubstantiated opinion. I might leave Pentax, though, if poor Mr Bunnell is found to have hatched a plot to kidnap the Muppets and sell them into slavery. He seems to have been accused of just about everything else.

06-14-2012, 10:24 AM	#2667
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Pentax K-3 Announced - Pentax Camera News & Rumors - PentaxForums.com do you remember this specs?

06-14-2012, 10:26 AM	#2668
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by mattdm It might be able to, but not with current technology. Originally posted by Anvh This the point i'm trying to make above, the D600 is clearly a entry level camera so some features need to go to make it cheap. Most likely some buttons will also disappear maybe making it look like the K30 vs K5 when it comes to interface changes. A $2,000+ camera (and lenses) is nowhere near "entry level" in any market for a consumer electronics item. Looking at the Nikon line-up, I call it coming in at @ US$2,399 body only, and $2,899 with the new FX 24-85 VR lens (save $100). Therefore I predict the Pentax offer will come 6 months after the D600/Sony A99 (sweetheart deal) at the exact same price points.

06-14-2012, 10:29 AM	#2669
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Pentax FF will have higher specs and price than D600.

06-14-2012, 10:49 AM	#2670
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	We all take a risk with our choices. If pentax decide to invest in FF and fail to be competitive and they lost a lot of money what will then be left of the brand? Ever up side has a down side. If you go with nikon and decide to play it safe like you say then you're always making compromises because your lens needs to fit the requirements of you and since the lenses have different AOV on each format you will be all over the place.