Originally posted by Anvh Pentax won't bring out a camera to go against the Canon 1D or Nikon D4, it would be more a camera like the D700 or 5D so the features of the bodies themself would not be a huge step forward when compared to a K5.
It's the larger sensor that makes the difference.
And neither do they need to. It doesn't even have to be more than a small step forward from the K5, many people would be
more than happy owning a K5 with a FF sensor (the Pentax equivalent of the D700/5D mkII).
Originally posted by Anvh But we aren't talking about that now, the thing is most new user may only have 1 or 2 lenses that is offically supported to work on FF so to get the full potential they need to buy FF lenses.
What i'm saying is if they need to buy new lenses they can jusy as easily buy into another system as well.
But they don't want to ! Pentax users have for years been crying out for a FF camera so they don't
have to move over to another brand to gain the advantages of FF. They want to have the features Pentax offers (WR, FA Ltds, solid build, ergonomics etc. to say nothing about retaining in-camera SR) in FF. If they buy into another system they still have to buy new lenses don't they.
Originally posted by Anvh If a Pentax user with mostly DA lenses wants FF he doesn't have to wait and buy a Nikon or Canon right now and many have done that already.
And many more will ... and take all their expensive lens buying $$$ with them - if Pentax don't bring out a FF. It's all about playing the long game.
Originally posted by Anvh So how large is the potential market still for a FF camera?
It will either be Pentax users with a film lenses and want/have the money to upgrade or new users, both markets are relatively small if you ask me...
It doesn't matter if it's a small market now so long as it's profitable, and it will be with the additional lens sales. Fact is though it's growing, fast, in Asia and if Pentax don't have an upgrade path it will affect sales all the way down the product line.
Originally posted by Anvh APS-C sensor already are better then FF a few years ago so if we look at the quality of them there is nothing wrong with it and they will only get better.
It's already up to a point that makes you wonder how much more quality a FF camera would give you...
I don't get this Stefan. You are photographically speaking a knowledgeable guy but how is the reason why people buy FF so alien to you ? It's not about the IQ quality per se, it's about the low DoF, the width (WA lenses really are WA) and so on.
Originally posted by Anvh Almost no body these days say they need to have a FF because of the quality, it's all about the angle of view and the depth of field.
Exactly ! You are now answering the questions you posed yourself, re IQ.
Originally posted by Clavius Pentax now has deep enough pockets to test the FF ground. Ricoh has deep enough pockets to sell the first FF body at a loss, just to steal customer away from other brands.
As already mentioned, selling a FF camera in the hope of picking up greatly increased profits from sales of consumables isn't an alien concept. The makers of Printers, copiers etc. do that already ...... oh !