How to push the Pentax Full-Frame Idea and get that FF out faster...

**Aristophanes** · 06-08-2012, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by gazonk

It's rather a bad dream than a fantasy, IMHO

It's called Leica M9.

Got the money, it's reality.

If not, it's fantasy.

Got a credit card, it's a bad dream.

Or your spouse's.

M9 = unimpressive sensor.

**Fontan** · 06-08-2012, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

M9 = unimpressive sensor.

Well, I understand the shortcomings of it, but it is good enough, especially for me.

NickLarsson · 06-10-2012, 04:53 PM

If Pentax was really about to release a FF, why not announcing it NOW, instead of letting potential buyers switching for months ?

I mean, by the time they announce it for real, a good part of Pentax users wanting FF will already have jumped ship.

ElJamoquio · 06-10-2012, 05:40 PM

I agree. There's definitely been an uptick in people selling their entire kit + K-5 lately.

However there's a tradeoff between announcing ahead of time vs. not... and the reaction/advantage of other manufacturers.

Peter Zack · 06-10-2012, 06:00 PM

Same reason they didn't announce it before the K20D launch or the K7 launch or the K-5 launch. Cause it ain't gonna happen.....

Originally posted by NickLarsson

If Pentax was really about to release a FF, why not announcing it NOW, instead of letting potential buyers switching for months ?

I mean, by the time they announce it for real, a good part of Pentax users wanting FF will already have jumped ship.

markac · 06-10-2012, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

Same reason they didn't announce it before the K20D launch or the K7 launch or the K-5 launch. Cause it ain't gonna happen.....

Maybe they just weren't ready then?

Peter Zack · 06-10-2012, 10:01 PM - **1 Like**

I guess I'm saying that everyone who keeps posting about this should just enjoy the great gear they have now. If you have a professional need, well maybe it's something you should look at, otherwise go take pictures.

Class A · 06-11-2012, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Peter Zack

Cause it ain't gonna happen.....

Never say never.

This year? No.
Next year? Not many people know.

gazonk · 06-11-2012, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

It's called Leica M9.

No need for Pentax to copy it, then.

tjk911 · 06-14-2012, 06:22 AM

First leaked Nikon D600 images | Nikon Rumors

So... The rumored sub-$2,000 Nikon FF camera, the D600, just got images of itself leaked.

eddie1960 · 06-14-2012, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by tjk911

First leaked Nikon D600 images | Nikon Rumors

So... The rumored sub-$2,000 Nikon FF camera, the D600, just got images of itself leaked.

Looks quite nice

tjk911 · 06-14-2012, 07:52 AM

I hope that's a big push for Pentax to answer. I can see it pushing Pentax to answer and I can also see it pushing Pentax away from that market. If the rumored specs are real as well, Pentax will see another group of users hemorrhaging out (the ones that keep saying they want an FF at APS-C price).

Anvh · 06-14-2012, 08:38 AM

I think you need to ask if it's good for pentax to compete with this, if pentax would go into direct competition it would mean a new lens line and camera's something i don't see pentax do for these low margins...

tjk911 · 06-14-2012, 08:53 AM

Haha yeah, that's why I mentioned it could push Pentax away as well. Of course, if they don't they're promising another portion of users leaving them. A $1,500-$2,000 full frame? That's a really low price when you consider that the Canon 7D is $1,550 and the D7000 was $1,200 last I checked.

But yeah, competing would be hard. Remanufacturing old Pentax FA lenses might be cheaper but it would still be fairly expensive. Seems like Pentax's way to profits will most likely with their weather-proof P&Ses and their rather unusual mirrorless cameras.

The K-30's a fantastic DSLR spec-wise, but Pentax will have to continuously make K5-styled waves in the photography world to really re-establish itself.

Anvh · 06-14-2012, 08:58 AM

But you need to buy $1000+ lenses to really get something out of the bigger sensor and the whole system is larger and heavier as well.

I'm more excited in a pro APS-C system because i love how carrier-able the Pentax system is right now.

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06-08-2012, 05:53 PM	#616
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by gazonk It's rather a bad dream than a fantasy, IMHO It's called Leica M9. Got the money, it's reality. If not, it's fantasy. Got a credit card, it's a bad dream. Or your spouse's. M9 = unimpressive sensor.

06-08-2012, 07:50 PM	#617
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	Originally posted by Aristophanes M9 = unimpressive sensor. Well, I understand the shortcomings of it, but it is good enough, especially for me.

06-10-2012, 04:53 PM	#618
NickLarsson Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,390	If Pentax was really about to release a FF, why not announcing it NOW, instead of letting potential buyers switching for months ? I mean, by the time they announce it for real, a good part of Pentax users wanting FF will already have jumped ship.

06-10-2012, 05:40 PM	#619
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	I agree. There's definitely been an uptick in people selling their entire kit + K-5 lately. However there's a tradeoff between announcing ahead of time vs. not... and the reaction/advantage of other manufacturers.

06-10-2012, 06:00 PM	#620
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	Same reason they didn't announce it before the K20D launch or the K7 launch or the K-5 launch. Cause it ain't gonna happen..... Originally posted by NickLarsson If Pentax was really about to release a FF, why not announcing it NOW, instead of letting potential buyers switching for months ? I mean, by the time they announce it for real, a good part of Pentax users wanting FF will already have jumped ship.

06-10-2012, 09:40 PM	#621
markac Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Adelaide Posts: 84	Originally posted by Peter Zack Same reason they didn't announce it before the K20D launch or the K7 launch or the K-5 launch. Cause it ain't gonna happen..... Maybe they just weren't ready then?

06-10-2012, 10:01 PM - 1 Like	#622
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	I guess I'm saying that everyone who keeps posting about this should just enjoy the great gear they have now. If you have a professional need, well maybe it's something you should look at, otherwise go take pictures.

06-11-2012, 12:20 AM	#623
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by Peter Zack Cause it ain't gonna happen..... Never say never. This year? No. Next year? Not many people know.

06-11-2012, 01:00 AM	#624
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Aristophanes It's called Leica M9. No need for Pentax to copy it, then.

06-14-2012, 06:22 AM	#625
tjk911 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 185	First leaked Nikon D600 images \| Nikon Rumors So... The rumored sub-$2,000 Nikon FF camera, the D600, just got images of itself leaked.

06-14-2012, 07:03 AM	#626
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,666	Originally posted by tjk911 First leaked Nikon D600 images \| Nikon Rumors So... The rumored sub-$2,000 Nikon FF camera, the D600, just got images of itself leaked. Looks quite nice

06-14-2012, 07:52 AM	#627
tjk911 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 185	I hope that's a big push for Pentax to answer. I can see it pushing Pentax to answer and I can also see it pushing Pentax away from that market. If the rumored specs are real as well, Pentax will see another group of users hemorrhaging out (the ones that keep saying they want an FF at APS-C price).

06-14-2012, 08:38 AM	#628
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	I think you need to ask if it's good for pentax to compete with this, if pentax would go into direct competition it would mean a new lens line and camera's something i don't see pentax do for these low margins...

06-14-2012, 08:53 AM	#629
tjk911 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 185	Haha yeah, that's why I mentioned it could push Pentax away as well. Of course, if they don't they're promising another portion of users leaving them. A $1,500-$2,000 full frame? That's a really low price when you consider that the Canon 7D is $1,550 and the D7000 was $1,200 last I checked. But yeah, competing would be hard. Remanufacturing old Pentax FA lenses might be cheaper but it would still be fairly expensive. Seems like Pentax's way to profits will most likely with their weather-proof P&Ses and their rather unusual mirrorless cameras. The K-30's a fantastic DSLR spec-wise, but Pentax will have to continuously make K5-styled waves in the photography world to really re-establish itself.

06-14-2012, 08:58 AM	#630
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	But you need to buy $1000+ lenses to really get something out of the bigger sensor and the whole system is larger and heavier as well. I'm more excited in a pro APS-C system because i love how carrier-able the Pentax system is right now.