How to push the Pentax Full-Frame Idea and get that FF out faster...

Medium FormatPro · 09-16-2012, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by gtl

Don't your Leica serve you well enough?

Anyway, don't you guys get nervous carrying such high value gear around? I mean getting mugged and such, especially while travelling.

The 3 FA limiteds would cost like 2000 usd? And Plus a FF another 2500. 5500 worth of gear. And thats just one camera!

Aahhh that's nothing. Been through all kinds of places with well over 50k of gear; Times Square and Central Park (even the bus station) at about 4am, even the Bronx. Ironically people do get taken for all kinds of items though - even their telephones.

HSV · 09-16-2012, 05:28 PM

I travel quite a bit to bad places such as China, Mexico, Central America, Colombia, Vietnam...and I've never been mugged. I've gotten stuff such as perfumes and toiletries stolen from my checked in luggage thou. My suggestion are: 1) never check in you gear, 2) don't look like a photographer, much less, a tourist, 3) be friendly, un-intrusive, and discrete.

ElJamoquio · 09-16-2012, 07:42 PM

Originally posted by HSV

I travel quite a bit to bad places such as China, Mexico, Central America, Colombia, Vietnam...

Hell, I've taken my Pentax to Detroit.

phil_rallycars · 09-18-2012, 06:14 AM

My wife was planning on buying me a full frame camera for my birthday/anniversary
she asked me how much it was going to cost for a pentax dslr so that i can use all of my pentax lenses
i had to tell her pentax dont make a full frame camera
at that point she said why canon and nikon do
what do you think i should tell her before she tell me to sell all my gear
an go and buy canon or nikon lenses so that she can get me a full frame DSLR camera

**maxfield_photo** · 09-18-2012, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by phil_rallycars

My wife was planning on buying me a full frame camera for my birthday/anniversary
she asked me how much it was going to cost for a pentax dslr so that i can use all of my pentax lenses
i had to tell her pentax dont make a full frame camera
at that point she said why canon and nikon do
what do you think i should tell her before she tell me to sell all my gear
an go and buy canon or nikon lenses so that she can get me a full frame DSLR camera

I hate to say it, but your wife may have the right idea. I've gone back to film in order to get my Pentax full frame. I'm guessing if one ever does materialize it will be at least another year, maybe a year and a half. Question is will it be any good?

Clavius · 09-18-2012, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by phil_rallycars

My wife was planning on buying me a full frame camera for my birthday/anniversary
she asked me how much it was going to cost for a pentax dslr so that i can use all of my pentax lenses
i had to tell her pentax dont make a full frame camera
at that point she said why canon and nikon do
what do you think i should tell her before she tell me to sell all my gear
an go and buy canon or nikon lenses so that she can get me a full frame DSLR camera

...You lucky sod...

Tell her to buy you a Canon 5D. It will mount all your Pentax lenses too. You will have to remove the aperture lever from some of them though. Otherwise the mirror will hit it.

pz1fan · 09-18-2012, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by maxfield_photo

I hate to say it, but your wife may have the right idea. I've gone back to film in order to get my Pentax full frame. I'm guessing if one ever does materialize it will be at least another year, maybe a year and a half. Question is will it be any good?

I was set to switch with the D800, but got sticker shock especially with the cost of replacement Nikon lenses. D600 is still a bit too high, but I would buy a Pentax for the same price since I have all the lenses.

So I'm also back to film. PZ1-P and waiting.

gtl · 09-19-2012, 12:21 AM

The Samyang lenses look fantastic on FF though... for very little money. Coupled with the huge FF viewfinder.... Only if you can live without AF. For me, I just can't live with the weight of that setup.

Clavius · 09-19-2012, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by gtl

The Samyang lenses look fantastic on FF though... for very little money. Coupled with the huge FF viewfinder.... Only if you can live without AF. For me, I just can't live with the weight of that setup.

That's what Pentax should be doing. Good quality lenses that are affordable because of the lacking AF. With a smallish quality FF camera, that is also more affordable because of the lacking FF and maybe even the lacking mirror. Maybe with a very good EVF with peaking. A bit like Leica, but without the brandname rich-people-accessory premium and with added WR.

Kunzite · 09-19-2012, 03:35 AM

That's what Pentax should not be doing - competing on price with Samyang, and cutting on essential features. Poor people would buy some NEX or Panasonic, and use their K-Mount lenses with an adapter; rich people would just buy Leica.

Clavius · 09-19-2012, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

That's what Pentax should not be doing - competing on price with Samyang, and cutting on essential features. Poor people would buy some NEX or Panasonic, and use their K-Mount lenses with an adapter; rich people would just buy Leica.

If you're responding to my post, then I think you'll have to re-read it.
1. There currently are no FF NEX or Panasonic offerings.
2. Nowhere did I state that Pentax should compete on price with Samyang. I actually suggested adding a WR feature. That will certainly not make them any cheaper.
3. There's people in between the categories poor and rich too.
4. Don't REAL poor people have other worries then buying cameras?

**PPPPPP42** · 09-19-2012, 08:59 AM - **1 Like**

Dear Pentax, pray I don't find a hack saw.

**Pepe Guitarra** · 09-19-2012, 11:00 AM

Actually, you forgot to add:
SIGMA FF, SONY FF, and almost everyone else FF.

Anvh · 09-19-2012, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Pepe Guitarra

Actually, you forgot to add:
SIGMA FF, SONY FF, and almost everyone else FF.

but who of those have a 645 camera

If FF is needed for professional image, wouldn't 645 be even better?

Kunzite · 09-19-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

If you're responding to my post, then I think you'll have to re-read it.
1. There currently are no FF NEX or Panasonic offerings.
2. Nowhere did I state that Pentax should compete on price with Samyang. I actually suggested adding a WR feature. That will certainly not make them any cheaper.
3. There's people in between the categories poor and rich too.
4. Don't REAL poor people have other worries then buying cameras?

1. And? People who are looking for affordable won't buy FF, because it isn't.
2. Then what is "affordable"? Definitely not Carl Zeiss, nor Leica...
3. ...
4. If you say so. But I was talking about people who can afford a camera (we're on a photography forum) but not a FF one.
Being "a cheap XXXX" won't work.

09-18-2012, 06:14 AM	#844
phil_rallycars New Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: kalamunda Posts: 8	My wife was planning on buying me a full frame camera My wife was planning on buying me a full frame camera for my birthday/anniversary she asked me how much it was going to cost for a pentax dslr so that i can use all of my pentax lenses i had to tell her pentax dont make a full frame camera at that point she said why canon and nikon do what do you think i should tell her before she tell me to sell all my gear an go and buy canon or nikon lenses so that she can get me a full frame DSLR camera

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09-16-2012, 04:41 PM	#841
Medium FormatPro Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Charleston & Pittsburgh Photos: Albums Posts: 1,668	Originally posted by gtl Don't your Leica serve you well enough? Anyway, don't you guys get nervous carrying such high value gear around? I mean getting mugged and such, especially while travelling. The 3 FA limiteds would cost like 2000 usd? And Plus a FF another 2500. 5500 worth of gear. And thats just one camera! Aahhh that's nothing. Been through all kinds of places with well over 50k of gear; Times Square and Central Park (even the bus station) at about 4am, even the Bronx. Ironically people do get taken for all kinds of items though - even their telephones.

09-16-2012, 05:28 PM	#842
HSV Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Texas Posts: 321	I travel quite a bit to bad places such as China, Mexico, Central America, Colombia, Vietnam...and I've never been mugged. I've gotten stuff such as perfumes and toiletries stolen from my checked in luggage thou. My suggestion are: 1) never check in you gear, 2) don't look like a photographer, much less, a tourist, 3) be friendly, un-intrusive, and discrete.

09-16-2012, 07:42 PM	#843
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by HSV I travel quite a bit to bad places such as China, Mexico, Central America, Colombia, Vietnam... Hell, I've taken my Pentax to Detroit.

09-18-2012, 07:50 AM	#845
maxfield_photo Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,216	Originally posted by phil_rallycars My wife was planning on buying me a full frame camera for my birthday/anniversary she asked me how much it was going to cost for a pentax dslr so that i can use all of my pentax lenses i had to tell her pentax dont make a full frame camera at that point she said why canon and nikon do what do you think i should tell her before she tell me to sell all my gear an go and buy canon or nikon lenses so that she can get me a full frame DSLR camera I hate to say it, but your wife may have the right idea. I've gone back to film in order to get my Pentax full frame. I'm guessing if one ever does materialize it will be at least another year, maybe a year and a half. Question is will it be any good?

09-18-2012, 07:52 AM	#846
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by phil_rallycars My wife was planning on buying me a full frame camera for my birthday/anniversary she asked me how much it was going to cost for a pentax dslr so that i can use all of my pentax lenses i had to tell her pentax dont make a full frame camera at that point she said why canon and nikon do what do you think i should tell her before she tell me to sell all my gear an go and buy canon or nikon lenses so that she can get me a full frame DSLR camera ...You lucky sod... Tell her to buy you a Canon 5D. It will mount all your Pentax lenses too. You will have to remove the aperture lever from some of them though. Otherwise the mirror will hit it.

09-18-2012, 09:14 PM	#847
pz1fan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: United States Posts: 183	Originally posted by maxfield_photo I hate to say it, but your wife may have the right idea. I've gone back to film in order to get my Pentax full frame. I'm guessing if one ever does materialize it will be at least another year, maybe a year and a half. Question is will it be any good? I was set to switch with the D800, but got sticker shock especially with the cost of replacement Nikon lenses. D600 is still a bit too high, but I would buy a Pentax for the same price since I have all the lenses. So I'm also back to film. PZ1-P and waiting.

09-19-2012, 12:21 AM	#848
gtl Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 349	The Samyang lenses look fantastic on FF though... for very little money. Coupled with the huge FF viewfinder.... Only if you can live without AF. For me, I just can't live with the weight of that setup.

09-19-2012, 12:31 AM	#849
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by gtl The Samyang lenses look fantastic on FF though... for very little money. Coupled with the huge FF viewfinder.... Only if you can live without AF. For me, I just can't live with the weight of that setup. That's what Pentax should be doing. Good quality lenses that are affordable because of the lacking AF. With a smallish quality FF camera, that is also more affordable because of the lacking FF and maybe even the lacking mirror. Maybe with a very good EVF with peaking. A bit like Leica, but without the brandname rich-people-accessory premium and with added WR.

09-19-2012, 03:35 AM	#850
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	That's what Pentax should not be doing - competing on price with Samyang, and cutting on essential features. Poor people would buy some NEX or Panasonic, and use their K-Mount lenses with an adapter; rich people would just buy Leica.

09-19-2012, 04:02 AM	#851
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Kunzite That's what Pentax should not be doing - competing on price with Samyang, and cutting on essential features. Poor people would buy some NEX or Panasonic, and use their K-Mount lenses with an adapter; rich people would just buy Leica. If you're responding to my post, then I think you'll have to re-read it. 1. There currently are no FF NEX or Panasonic offerings. 2. Nowhere did I state that Pentax should compete on price with Samyang. I actually suggested adding a WR feature. That will certainly not make them any cheaper. 3. There's people in between the categories poor and rich too. 4. Don't REAL poor people have other worries then buying cameras?

09-19-2012, 08:59 AM - 1 Like	#852
PPPPPP42 Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Wisconsin Photos: Albums Posts: 951	Dear Pentax, pray I don't find a hack saw.

09-19-2012, 11:00 AM	#853
Pepe Guitarra Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,223	Actually, you forgot to add: SIGMA FF, SONY FF, and almost everyone else FF.

09-19-2012, 11:36 AM	#854
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by Pepe Guitarra Actually, you forgot to add: SIGMA FF, SONY FF, and almost everyone else FF. but who of those have a 645 camera If FF is needed for professional image, wouldn't 645 be even better?

09-19-2012, 01:00 PM	#855
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Clavius If you're responding to my post, then I think you'll have to re-read it. 1. There currently are no FF NEX or Panasonic offerings. 2. Nowhere did I state that Pentax should compete on price with Samyang. I actually suggested adding a WR feature. That will certainly not make them any cheaper. 3. There's people in between the categories poor and rich too. 4. Don't REAL poor people have other worries then buying cameras? 1. And? People who are looking for affordable won't buy FF, because it isn't. 2. Then what is "affordable"? Definitely not Carl Zeiss, nor Leica... 3. ... 4. If you say so. But I was talking about people who can afford a camera (we're on a photography forum) but not a FF one. Being "a cheap XXXX" won't work.