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11-28-2012, 03:53 AM   #1021
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cannikin Quote
3 lens roadmaps for one thing, with a total of 10 lenses and 1 teleconverter still to come (and all lenses they scheduled for 2012 have been released as promised).
Obviously, you're a lot less sceptical person then I am. (Which I'm jealous of!)

That one K-mount lens that came out recently, and the "new" K-mount bodies only showed me that they're riding the cashcow for as long as they can. The lens was a rebadged off-brand lens. No effort was put in there at all. And that goes for the new bodies as well, old stuff with some changed cosmetics.

To me those are all signals that I've turned into a dead-end street, and that I should refrain from going further untill there's some certainty.

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"That one K-mount lens"? What on Earth are you talking about?
This year they promised, and launched:
- smc DA 40mm F2.8 XS Lens
- smc DA 50mm F1.8
- Q 06 Telephoto 15-45mm
- HD DA 560mm F5.6 ED AW
- smc DA 18-270mm F3.5-6.3 ED SDM
- HD DFA645 Macro 90mm F2.8 ED AW SR
6 lenses: 1 Q, 1 645D and 4 K-mount.

The K-30 is indeed new, and no other DSLR in its price range have a 100% optical viewfinder, nor weather sealing. Prime M was launched this year.
11-28-2012, 04:14 AM   #1023
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
But even that is actually a good sign; they launched the new HD coating, the long lens Hoya cancelled, the TC Hoya cancelled, the only stabilized medium format solution...
I didn't know those were products that Hoya had officially cancelled.

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By the way, what you're doing is starving Pentax from funds required to develop the new toys; you're not helping them at all
I know, but so is anybody that buys used items instead of brand new ones. But they do that to themselves. Just this weekend I saw the DA 15 ltd hit the record of 1000,- new over here.
11-28-2012, 08:06 AM   #1024
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
Just this weekend I saw the DA 15 ltd hit the record of 1000,- new over here.
Really? You can get it for just over 800 here in the most expensive country of the world, despite the ridiculously weak EUR/NOK rate right now. And that includes 25% VAT.

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@Clavius:
Not "officially", as in issuing a press release; but they were on a Pentax Hoya roadmap, only to disappear / not materialize. Well, the Pentax Hoya roadmap disappeared, as Pentax were being prepared to be sold...

The 15mm Limited is under 700 euro here (including the 24% VAT).
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
"That one K-mount lens"? What on Earth are you talking about?
This year they promised, and launched:
- smc DA 40mm F2.8 XS Lens
- smc DA 50mm F1.8
- Q 06 Telephoto 15-45mm
- HD DA 560mm F5.6 ED AW
- smc DA 18-270mm F3.5-6.3 ED SDM
- HD DFA645 Macro 90mm F2.8 ED AW SR
6 lenses: 1 Q, 1 645D and 4 K-mount.

The K-30 is indeed new, and no other DSLR in its price range have a 100% optical viewfinder, nor weather sealing. Prime M was launched this year.
The 40mm isn't really a new lens. Are the 560 or 18-270 shipping yet? If not, I wouldn't call them launched.
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Launched and available are two distinct things (even though I agree launching a product e.g. 6 months before availability is not acceptable).
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Indeed, any reputable seller from E.U. would do - the transport will cost some money but I would have 5% less VAT to pay, right?
By the way, recently some Romanian shops decided they should have that black Friday thing. How about 20% less from that under 700 euro (692, and it's not the cheapest store) price? Quite the difference from 1000...
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Launched and available are two distinct things (even though I agree launching a product e.g. 6 months before availability is not acceptable).
In my mind, if it's already launched, then it's already been for sale at least once. It might not be currently available, true.
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In my mind, if it's already launched, then it's already been for sale at least once. It might not be currently available, true.
Yeah I know, those are muddy waters...
It is 2 months now, right?
Those lenses were announced as available for the end of the year I think.
If so, well, they aren't late (yet). If they didn't say anything, then it's time to move: 2 months is slow.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
Aside from the indications on the Mayan Calendar: why do you think Pentax is nowhere near closing the doors?

From all the "new" products they launched in September, they convinced me that they were showing the last "twitches" of a dying company.

My LBA has me itching to buy some more gear, but since September I've put all lens purchases on hold until Pentax shows some signs of survivability. Or untill they show the will to survive, at least.

So, if you know something that we don't, please feel free to elaborate.
Panasonic, Sony and Olympus are far more likely to close the interchangeable lens doors long before Pentax.
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Panasonic, Sony and Olympus are far more likely to close the interchangeable lens doors long before Pentax
Besides Sony's lack of business plans as a whole - the camera and sensor part is going through the roof. Sony has done more in sales in about ten years than Pentax has ever done. Although Pentax sales inreased somewhat over the last two years Pentax's market share is sadly lacking
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Do you have any data to show us? Not saying you're wrong or anything like that, just curious about the details.
From what I could see, Sony's "Consumer products" (from which 16.3% are Digital Imaging products) amounted for a 229.8 billion yen loss, the other two money-losing sections "making" -20.2, respectively -3.5 billion yen. Sony complained about declining sales in digital cameras, "mainly reflecting the impact of the floods in Thailand and unfavorable foreign exchange rates" - but I couldn't see specific data.
Of course, TVs are also there and we know Sony took a big hit with those.

Pentax is another story; under Hoya they couldn't care less about market share, but margins; and they had to go through cost cutting and downsizing, which didn't help either. Now they are growing, finally.
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Sony in my opinion is a brand that has been on the down hill slide over the past 15-20 years or so.. Back in the day it was hard to beat Sony in any markets.. TV's, Stereo's, Car Stereo's, Walkmans/Discman... with Digital Camera's and video camera's in the past 10 years their mass market point and shoots have steadily been letting their competition put the gap on them.. their DSLR's and MILC's are good products but they seem to have no marketing push from Sony at all here in North America at least. I wonder how much profit Sony makes with their digital imaging sensor department.. they have plenty of buyers for sure!
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