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02-11-2013, 05:09 PM   #1141
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QuoteOriginally posted by Clavius Quote
An M-mount Pentax FF? If that happens, I'll pre-order two at the same time.
A FF Pentax with Leica M-mount ? Is that a typo ?

02-11-2013, 06:56 PM   #1142
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QuoteOriginally posted by jogiba Quote
A FF Pentax with Leica M-mount ? Is that a typo ?
If Pentax FF is an M mount mirrorless, Leica camera business is gone.
02-11-2013, 07:05 PM   #1143
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QuoteOriginally posted by vodanh1982 Quote
If Pentax FF is an M mount mirrorless, Leica camera business is gone.
As would Pentax, at least they'd lose my business. If after all this time Pentax's first full frame DSLR didn't support the K-mount, that would be the ultimate slap in the face. I'd drop the brand like a bad habit.
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As would Pentax, at least they'd lose my business. If after all this time Pentax's first full frame DSLR didn't support the K-mount, that would be the ultimate slap in the face. I'd drop the brand like a bad habit.
They can go both DSLR for K mount and Mirrorless for M mount. I am not sure if Leica will let them do that.

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I've already said once Leica M mount + fully functional adaptor to the K mount but some here are very much against an idea of an adaptor...
I don't see why a good design adaptor is not a bonus since you could use 2 different lens system side by side.


Anyway i want a fullframe 645 more then 135... ah well.
I wonder if they could make an 135 with the sensor that is now in the 645D, would the image circle most of the lenses be big enough?
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QuoteOriginally posted by vodanh1982 Quote
If Pentax FF is an M mount mirrorless, Leica camera business is gone.
And Pentax camera business, as well.

Anvh, how it would work? The M mount don't even have contacts, only that 6-bit code - and an adapter would have to add digital communication and autofocus, including screw drive? Should it cure cancer, too?
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Alright, Boys. Let's mount up!

If we're reasonably sure there's a full-frame DSLR coming in 2013, it's going to have to have some kind of a mount. The current K-mount lenses probably won't have a large enough image circle for 24x36, so this might necessitate either a new mount unique to Pentax or a some widely-used (in the industry) mount. There'll be some consideration to legacy lenses, I'm sure, but if the move is to higher performance, better-corrected lenses, there might be some "clean paper" thinking. This would be a good question for one of the upcoming interviews with Ricoh-Pentax insiders. They've undoubtedly reached conclusions on the mount issue.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Anvh Quote
I've already said once Leica M mount + fully functional adaptor to the K mount but some here are very much against an idea of an adaptor...
I don't see why a good design adaptor is not a bonus since you could use 2 different lens system side by side.
I was against it too... Untill I had the pleasure of actually using M-glass. I think it's a case of not knowing what they're missing.


QuoteOriginally posted by vodanh1982 Quote
They can go both DSLR for K mount and Mirrorless for M mount. I am not sure if Leica will let them do that.
M-mount is pretty much open source.

QuoteOriginally posted by codger Quote
The current K-mount lenses probably won't have a large enough image circle for 24x36, so this might necessitate either a new mount unique to Pentax or a some widely-used (in the industry) mount.
Is Pentax still big enough to have their very own unique mount? A lot of third party lens manufacturers seem to be convinced that they're not, as they see no profit any longer in developing more K-mount lenses.

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QuoteOriginally posted by codger Quote
The current K-mount lenses probably won't have a large enough image circle for 24x36, so this might necessitate either a new mount unique to Pentax or a some widely-used (in the industry) mount.
There is nothing wrong with the K-mount, and it definitely allows for small format (24x36) cameras (because that's what it was designed for)
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
There is nothing wrong with the K-mount, and it definitely allows for small format (24x36) cameras (because that's what it was designed for)
But there was no SR when the K-mount was originally designed. The negative remained stationary back then. The sensor moves quite a bit. And actually, during the interviews at Photokina 2012, Pentax themselves expressed their worries about needing a new mount with FF.
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That's not being confirmed as a problem. We know there are/were "full frame" cameras with smaller opening mounts, it's not unthinkable that the larger diameter K-mount would accommodate "full frame" + SR. Anyway, your solution is an even smaller opening mount... one that lacks any modern feature (e.g. electronic contacts, autofocus).
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Anvh, how it would work? The M mount don't even have contacts, only that 6-bit code - and an adapter would have to add digital communication and autofocus, including screw drive? Should it cure cancer, too?
Well that's the joy of it actually, since it has no contact it means you can add the contacts you need without interfering with the M lens functionality.

As for the autofocus, they can actually add it into the adoptor, the adaptor won't be cheap but it would be sturdier then a linkage if you ask me. And it would make the camere cheaper so it balance things out.
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Does the mount support adding contacts? Have you ever thought how could Pentax or anyone else actually implement such silly ideas?
Making things needlessly complicated and cutting the market share to 1/100 won't make things cheaper, not in this Universe.

Besides, we already established that the "reason" to use M-mount, i.e. the mount diameter, is bogus.
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Why wouldnt the mount support contacts?
Sure it's not in the specs but they can add to that, just look at what Pentax did with the K mount. The first type also did not have any contacts.

As for the last part, larger diameter and shorter mount is not bogus. It's not for nothing such mounts have really fast lenses and mounts as nikon or pentax don't.
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I'm not saying it doesn't, I'm asking what makes you so sure it does. It would need room for several contacts, and in a place where it wouldn't interfere with legacy M-mount lenses (probably not inside). It would have to be made weather sealed, and add autofocus support. A fully K-mount compatible adapter must be made, and cheap enough to hope that few current K-mount users would be satisfied with it. And, after all this work, nobody would be able to say why they had to do it.

FFS, it's the implied idea that the M-mount has a large diameter that is bogus. You're just blindly making excuses to promote the idea that Pentax should screw their customers.
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