How to push the Pentax Full-Frame Idea and get that FF out faster...

Chex · 04-01-2013, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by Anvh

Pentax camera's can already do something like that but not with that many photos and the output is JPEG.

Yes, I believe my old K-5 could do a multi exposure mode and output as a jpeg
My D800 can do it and output as a RAW (2-10 frames at up to 1/8000 sec in 0.5-3 sec automated intervals or manually shot)

I find it works well if you have a beefy tripod, just need to be careful not to blow highlights in this mode.. it's much easier to do in multi exposure.

**Kerrowdown** · 04-02-2013, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by EchoOscar

There is no Pentax 'full frame' camera.

Yet, watch this space.

Clavius · 04-02-2013, 02:50 AM

Originally posted by EchoOscar

there is no Pentax 'full frame' camera.

Amazing how something that does not exist can fuel so much discussion and battles. Does that make this a religion? Pentaxfullframism? LOL!

**Ash** · 04-02-2013, 11:05 AM

It is inevitable, although worshipping it is unlikely going to make it come any sooner...

**Kerrowdown** · 04-02-2013, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by Ash

worshipping it is unlikely going to make it come any sooner

Aye, we've all been praying for this long enough now.

**Ash** · 04-02-2013, 05:17 PM

Well if we keep talking about it, the time will pass quicker.
Or we could get out and take some photos.

gazonk · 04-03-2013, 02:13 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Clavius

Amazing how something that does not exist can fuel so much discussion and battles. Does that make this a religion? Pentaxfullframism? LOL!

We should be more careful, if we continue like this it will turn into a religion, and 10000 years from now the inhabitants of the small mountain state of Pentaxia have to endure a vicious totalitarian religious state with a total photography ban: "Thou shall not photograph, because that divine act is reserved for the Holy Pentax Full Frame In The Thirteenth Dimension!".

Class A · 04-06-2013, 06:42 AM - **1 Like**

If anyone waiting for a Pentax FF model feels misrepresented by Jim Malcolm who stated in an interview that the feedback he received about an FF camera by "almost everybody" was "I don’t really need full frame. " then scoot over to the interview page and leave a comment stating your view.

Or just send an email to ask.pentax@prac.pentax.com. Best do both.

I have trouble making sense of what he said; what do you think?

**Ash** · 04-06-2013, 03:44 PM

Indeed, I do wonder about the Pentaxians he chose to give him the message that almost everyone don't really need full frame. I think the message should have come forward as "We know we don't 'need' FF - the K-5 II is a very good flagship APS-C, but we would really 'like' a FF to bring out the best from the best lenses that Pentax have to offer, such as the FA Limited lenses."

em-tx · 05-01-2013, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by Ash

Indeed, I do wonder about the Pentaxians he chose to give him the message that almost everyone don't really need full frame. I think the message should have come forward as "We know we don't 'need' FF - the K-5 II is a very good flagship APS-C, but we would really 'like' a FF to bring out the best from the best lenses that Pentax have to offer, such as the FA Limited lenses."

Do I need FF right now? NO (probably)
Does Pentax need FF now? MAYBE
Do I want (to also pay) for FF in future? YES
Does Pentax need FF in future in order to survive and keep up with anothers? Probably for sure YES
Can I get advantage of FF visible in my work now? YES (alas can not effort it)

Can I jump the ship if I want? YES
Can Pentax jump the ship if they want? NO (They can only close down or merge.)

Does FF has better IQ due to physics? YES
Does professionals need FF? Most of times YES
Is the photographic community driven and inspired by professionals? YES
Are the professionals big part of sales (directly or undirectly)? Probably YES

Please let me know where you think I am wrong.

Frogfish · 05-02-2013, 08:38 AM

Just popped back in here to see what is happening. Surprised to see Ash here - I thought you had long gone to FF mate.

One question that I couldn't answer before, but can now (owning a FF camera or two), is will owning a FF camera open up more photographic possibilities for me ? Before I answer that I should just say that I had not even come close to fully exploring the capabilities of the excellent camera (K5) and lenses (inc. 15, 43, & 77 etc.) I owned. However the answer would still be an emphatic Yes. And is my photography improving because of it ? Again I'd answer Yes. I loved the K5 but (of course considering the price) the D800 is just so much better in nearly all respects and photography is, for me, now even more fun than it was before.

I waited a year for a Pentax announcement on a FF camera, and maybe now it is just around the corner, but sadly it will come too late because my Pentax lenses are all but gone and the last ones will be sold off soon. I would really loved to have used the 43 & 77 (and the Cosina 55/1.2) on a modern Pentax FF.

Clavius · 05-07-2013, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Frogfish

One question that I couldn't answer before, but can now (owning a FF camera or two), is will owning a FF camera open up more photographic possibilities for me ? Before I answer that I should just say that I had not even come close to fully exploring the capabilities of the excellent camera (K5) and lenses (inc. 15, 43, & 77 etc.) I owned. However the answer would still be an emphatic Yes. And is my photography improving because of it ? Again I'd answer Yes.

That question pops up again and again in FF-threads here. Of course it improves ones photography. Simple accessories like remotes, lenshoods, filters, flash snoots already influence ones photography and learning curve. It would be really strange if then a different sensor format suddenly wouldn't.

Originally posted by Frogfish

I waited a year for a Pentax announcement on a FF camera, and maybe now it is just around the corner,

Pentax is always just around the corner. It has been for years now. So it probably will be for some more. We live NOW though.

Anvh · 05-07-2013, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

That question pops up again and again in FF-threads here. Of course it improves ones photography. Simple accessories like remotes, lenshoods, filters, flash snoots already influence ones photography and learning curve. It would be really strange if then a different sensor format suddenly wouldn't.

It depends on what aspect you mean off photography.

To say that your photos get more creative with better subjects and such is of course not right.

Only thing that might improve is your image quality but that's... 1% of the whole photo if you ask me.
I will not marvel at a photography because it's so sharp and the exposure is so perfect, ect.

ElJamoquio · 05-07-2013, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by Anvh

It depends on what aspect you mean off photography.

To say that your photos get more creative with better subjects and such is of course not right.

Only thing that might improve is your image quality but that's... 1% of the whole photo if you ask me.
I will not marvel at a photography because it's so sharp and the exposure is so perfect, ect.

Colors are better with bigger sensors, as well.

Anvh · 05-07-2013, 01:40 PM

Would love to see an example.
I'm actually working with 2 camera's with different sensor sizes and i'm hard pressed to see a difference in that regard.

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04-01-2013, 11:28 PM	#1291
Chex Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: The 'Stoke, British Columbia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,678	Originally posted by Anvh Pentax camera's can already do something like that but not with that many photos and the output is JPEG. Yes, I believe my old K-5 could do a multi exposure mode and output as a jpeg My D800 can do it and output as a RAW (2-10 frames at up to 1/8000 sec in 0.5-3 sec automated intervals or manually shot) I find it works well if you have a beefy tripod, just need to be careful not to blow highlights in this mode.. it's much easier to do in multi exposure.

04-02-2013, 02:41 AM	#1292
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,816	Originally posted by EchoOscar There is no Pentax 'full frame' camera. Yet, watch this space.

04-02-2013, 02:50 AM	#1293
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by EchoOscar there is no Pentax 'full frame' camera. Amazing how something that does not exist can fuel so much discussion and battles. Does that make this a religion? Pentaxfullframism? LOL!

04-02-2013, 11:05 AM	#1294
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	It is inevitable, although worshipping it is unlikely going to make it come any sooner...

04-02-2013, 12:08 PM	#1295
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,816	Originally posted by Ash worshipping it is unlikely going to make it come any sooner Aye, we've all been praying for this long enough now.

04-02-2013, 05:17 PM	#1296
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Well if we keep talking about it, the time will pass quicker. Or we could get out and take some photos.

04-03-2013, 02:13 AM - 2 Likes	#1297
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by Clavius Amazing how something that does not exist can fuel so much discussion and battles. Does that make this a religion? Pentaxfullframism? LOL! We should be more careful, if we continue like this it will turn into a religion, and 10000 years from now the inhabitants of the small mountain state of Pentaxia have to endure a vicious totalitarian religious state with a total photography ban: "Thou shall not photograph, because that divine act is reserved for the Holy Pentax Full Frame In The Thirteenth Dimension!".

04-06-2013, 06:42 AM - 1 Like	#1298
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	If anyone waiting for a Pentax FF model feels misrepresented by Jim Malcolm who stated in an interview that the feedback he received about an FF camera by "almost everybody" was "I don’t really need full frame. " then scoot over to the interview page and leave a comment stating your view. Or just send an email to ask.pentax@prac.pentax.com. Best do both. I have trouble making sense of what he said; what do you think?

04-06-2013, 03:44 PM	#1299
Ash Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Toowoomba, Queensland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,920	Indeed, I do wonder about the Pentaxians he chose to give him the message that almost everyone don't really need full frame. I think the message should have come forward as "We know we don't 'need' FF - the K-5 II is a very good flagship APS-C, but we would really 'like' a FF to bring out the best from the best lenses that Pentax have to offer, such as the FA Limited lenses."

05-01-2013, 04:24 PM	#1300
em-tx Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 229	Originally posted by Ash Indeed, I do wonder about the Pentaxians he chose to give him the message that almost everyone don't really need full frame. I think the message should have come forward as "We know we don't 'need' FF - the K-5 II is a very good flagship APS-C, but we would really 'like' a FF to bring out the best from the best lenses that Pentax have to offer, such as the FA Limited lenses." Do I need FF right now? NO (probably) Does Pentax need FF now? MAYBE Do I want (to also pay) for FF in future? YES Does Pentax need FF in future in order to survive and keep up with anothers? Probably for sure YES Can I get advantage of FF visible in my work now? YES (alas can not effort it) Can I jump the ship if I want? YES Can Pentax jump the ship if they want? NO (They can only close down or merge.) Does FF has better IQ due to physics? YES Does professionals need FF? Most of times YES Is the photographic community driven and inspired by professionals? YES Are the professionals big part of sales (directly or undirectly)? Probably YES Please let me know where you think I am wrong.

05-02-2013, 08:38 AM	#1301
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	Just popped back in here to see what is happening. Surprised to see Ash here - I thought you had long gone to FF mate. One question that I couldn't answer before, but can now (owning a FF camera or two), is will owning a FF camera open up more photographic possibilities for me ? Before I answer that I should just say that I had not even come close to fully exploring the capabilities of the excellent camera (K5) and lenses (inc. 15, 43, & 77 etc.) I owned. However the answer would still be an emphatic Yes. And is my photography improving because of it ? Again I'd answer Yes. I loved the K5 but (of course considering the price) the D800 is just so much better in nearly all respects and photography is, for me, now even more fun than it was before. I waited a year for a Pentax announcement on a FF camera, and maybe now it is just around the corner, but sadly it will come too late because my Pentax lenses are all but gone and the last ones will be sold off soon. I would really loved to have used the 43 & 77 (and the Cosina 55/1.2) on a modern Pentax FF.

05-07-2013, 01:59 AM	#1302
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Frogfish One question that I couldn't answer before, but can now (owning a FF camera or two), is will owning a FF camera open up more photographic possibilities for me ? Before I answer that I should just say that I had not even come close to fully exploring the capabilities of the excellent camera (K5) and lenses (inc. 15, 43, & 77 etc.) I owned. However the answer would still be an emphatic Yes. And is my photography improving because of it ? Again I'd answer Yes. That question pops up again and again in FF-threads here. Of course it improves ones photography. Simple accessories like remotes, lenshoods, filters, flash snoots already influence ones photography and learning curve. It would be really strange if then a different sensor format suddenly wouldn't. Originally posted by Frogfish I waited a year for a Pentax announcement on a FF camera, and maybe now it is just around the corner, Pentax is always just around the corner. It has been for years now. So it probably will be for some more. We live NOW though.

05-07-2013, 09:01 AM	#1303
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Originally posted by Clavius That question pops up again and again in FF-threads here. Of course it improves ones photography. Simple accessories like remotes, lenshoods, filters, flash snoots already influence ones photography and learning curve. It would be really strange if then a different sensor format suddenly wouldn't. It depends on what aspect you mean off photography. To say that your photos get more creative with better subjects and such is of course not right. Only thing that might improve is your image quality but that's... 1% of the whole photo if you ask me. I will not marvel at a photography because it's so sharp and the exposure is so perfect, ect.

05-07-2013, 11:07 AM	#1304
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by Anvh It depends on what aspect you mean off photography. To say that your photos get more creative with better subjects and such is of course not right. Only thing that might improve is your image quality but that's... 1% of the whole photo if you ask me. I will not marvel at a photography because it's so sharp and the exposure is so perfect, ect. Colors are better with bigger sensors, as well.

05-07-2013, 01:40 PM	#1305
Anvh Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 4,616	Would love to see an example. I'm actually working with 2 camera's with different sensor sizes and i'm hard pressed to see a difference in that regard.