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05-07-2013, 01:42 PM   #1306
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The examples I can give you would be uncontrolled, as my lenses are far different. You'd be better off looking at DxOmark and deciding whether or not it would matter to you.

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I have a D800 and it's a wonderful camera. But it doesn't make me want to give up my K-5 and the limited lenses. If I'm walking any distance, I would far rather carry a K-5 and six lenses than a D800 and three Nikkors.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
The examples I can give you would be uncontrolled, as my lenses are far different. You'd be better off looking at DxOmark and deciding whether or not it would matter to you.
Well the K5 is up par with the entry FF from Canon only Nikon entry FF are scoring better so does that proof your point?
Think it's a tie up this one
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Well the K5 is up par with the entry FF from Canon only Nikon entry FF are scoring better so does that proof your point?
I think it does prove my point.

The D800 has the same sensor as the D7000; it scores better at same ISO and roughly the same at same DOF (except for resolution, of course). I haven't done an analysis on color or tonality but it looks like it'd be the same.

Worth it or not? Up to you, but the D600 sensor is pretty-durn-close to the D800 sensor, and as long as you're not cropping past APS-C range it's definitely worth a look.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
The D800 has the same sensor as the D7000
Did you mean K-5?
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I think we can prey K5 for quality endless, but its APS-C. Now, please tell me, how you think would look F5 aka K5 as FF version. How much it will improve the IQ results? How many of you would be willing to pay let say 1800 -1900 Euros for such a camera? Not to mention, that probably it would mean better AF, faster image engine - probably also better one, 20 or 24MP at least, that would draw some professionals and some companies would start to produce again K mount lenses...and if we are lucky M control over video. (Not daring to say streaming video through the HDMI, cause feels like dream)
So question: How many of you or are you interested?
Personally I am.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan Quote
Did you mean K-5?
I didn't, but it's still the same.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
I think it does prove my point.

The D800 has the same sensor as the D7000 (add. K5)
So the FF sensor is the same as the APS-C sensor in those cameras ? Can you explain your reasoning here because clearly they are not the same but maybe you mean something else ?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Frogfish Quote
Surprised to see Ash here - I thought you had long gone to FF mate
No, never said I would switch brands for FF, but that doesn't stop me wanting a Pentax FF.
I'm more than happy with my K-5 IIs, but I'd rather a FF camera for the FA Limited lenses to go on since those focal lengths are great for landscape (31), general photography (43) and portraiture (77) on the 24x36 format. They are just fine on APS-C as well, just a notch tighter in crop. It's the added IQ garnished from the FA Ltds that are the real clincher.
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So the FF sensor is the same as the APS-C sensor in those cameras ? Can you explain your reasoning here because clearly they are not the same but maybe you mean something else ?
The pixel size is the same and the sensitivity to light is the same. The 'strong rumor' on the interwebz is that the D800 sensor is made from the same 'base wafer' as the D7000, just cut a bit larger (if the EE's here would allow me a bit of leeway).
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
I think it does prove my point.

The D800 has the same sensor as the D7000; it scores better at same ISO and roughly the same at same DOF (except for resolution, of course). I haven't done an analysis on color or tonality but it looks like it'd be the same.

Worth it or not? Up to you, but the D600 sensor is pretty-durn-close to the D800 sensor, and as long as you're not cropping past APS-C range it's definitely worth a look.
I've think more about it and i'm actually inclined to say that it doesn't make a difference in regards to sensor size.
If it was true then also other makes should show an increase over APS-C and since that isn't the case.
If you would crop the sensor of the D800 i believe the result would be that same, the D800 just has a good sensor.

If you don't agree then i would love to hear how a bigger sensor increase the colour sensitivity. I say larger sensor and not larger pixels here
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
The pixel size is the same and the sensitivity to light is the same. The 'strong rumor' on the interwebz is that the D800 sensor is made from the same 'base wafer' as the D7000, just cut a bit larger (if the EE's here would allow me a bit of leeway).
Yep and what you say i impossible
A wafer is not a pie where you can cut larger and smaller pieces in.
The complete sensor is baked in and there is more on it then just pixels.
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Yep and what you say i impossible
A wafer is not a pie where you can cut larger and smaller pieces in.
The complete sensor is baked in and there is more on it then just pixels.
I understand that; I was hoping to not get into the EE discussion.
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how a bigger sensor increase the colour sensitivity. I say larger sensor and not larger pixels here
Downsampling.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
Downsampling.
More information would be great.
Why would you actually need to downsample?
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