How to push the Pentax Full-Frame Idea and get that FF out faster...

Adam · 01-19-2012, 05:28 PM - **23 Likes**

I have been told by our friends over at Pentaxeros (the Spanish Pentax community) that "it is believed" that a full-frame is on its way, although it's a personal hunch and not at all an official statement, let alone something based on what's currently in the pipeline. It seems that Ricoh isn't opening up to anyone about what they're working on, so I guess time will tell what they come up with.

In the mean time, we will continue to try to push the Pentax Full-Frame idea and if we reach 3000 "Likes" in support of a Pentax Full-frame by CS+ (which is in 3 weeks), an official letter from Pentax Spain will go out to the higher-ups in order to make them aware of this strong backing.

Just a few numbers:
Currently, the (unofficial) Pentax Full-frame page has 2,200+ followers, while...
the PentaxForums page has almost 7,000...
and the official Pentax page has 43,000.

So, combined, out two unofficial pages have almost a quarter of the followers of the official page, which really says something, doesn't it?

Add on top of that this:
PentaxForums.com's global traffic rank is 19,978, while
PentaxImaging.com's global traffic tank is 136,591.

So, if we speak up, we will be heard. Let's make it happen!

Update: the letter to Pentax Japan has been written. Sit tight to hear what they respond with! Keep on supporting the full-frame page, as Pentax executives will soon be visiting it!

Adam
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**monochrome** · 01-19-2012, 05:49 PM - **1 Like**

Done and Commented

**LaurenOE** · 01-19-2012, 05:58 PM

I don't know how much louder I can speak about what I want from Pentax! I've tried to voice my opinion on this forum on several issues recently and was shut down and my thread locked...however I will tell everyone I know about the Pentax FF I want regardless of the naysayers who trample loyal Pentaxians!

Winder · 01-19-2012, 06:09 PM - **7 Likes**

I don't care as much about a 135mm body as I want to see some serious glass. To me sensor size is not as important as having a DA* 135mm f/1.8 or a D-FA* 85mm f/1.4 with something better than SDM.

Adam · 01-19-2012, 06:11 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Winder

DA* 135mm f/1.8 or a D-FA* 85mm f/1.4

I second this thought- when will these lenses come??

Roob-N-Boots · 01-19-2012, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Winder

I don't care as much about a 135mm body as I want to see some serious glass. To me sensor size is not as important as having a DA* 135mm f/1.8 or a D-FA* 85mm f/1.4 with something better than SDM.

With the release of a fullframe, Pentax will have to release professional grade lenses like the two you are asking for and then some.

Mehlsack · 01-19-2012, 06:29 PM - **1 Like**

just Push the damn "Like" Button, for Gods sake !

I think Roob-N-Boots has a valid point there !

cmohr · 01-19-2012, 06:39 PM

Will do as soon as I gets home....

I also agree with Roob-N-Boots, a FF will bring new DFA options.

mattdm · 01-19-2012, 06:39 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by LaurenOE

I don't know how much louder I can speak about what I want from Pentax! I've tried to voice my opinion on this forum on several issues recently and was shut down and my thread locked...however I will tell everyone I know about the Pentax FF I want regardless of the naysayers who trample loyal Pentaxians!

Ah yes, the loyal Pentaxians who demand that Pentax change their strategy abandon their advanced APS-C camera niche in order to produce a higher-priced product that many of the loudest advocates won't even buy. Such loyal, loyal Pentaxians.

Not like the people who buy and support their current product line and hope for continuing innovation and evolution of the same. Those traitors!

**dadipentak** · 01-19-2012, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by Mehlsack

just Push the damn "Like" Button, for Gods sake !

I'm not one of those panting for a FF but it seems to me that, for them as are, Adam's proposal makes a lot of sense.

Peter Zack · 01-19-2012, 06:46 PM - **6 Likes**

Originally posted by Roob-N-Boots

With the release of a fullframe, Pentax will have to release professional grade lenses like the two you are asking for and then some.

Which is exactly why I think going full frame is a HUGE MISTAKE and hope Pentax does not go this route. It will bankrupt the company unless Ricoh is prepared for a long term front end investment that will have no returns for 5 years.

Pentax has a 5% market share and the only people who will buy FF are current Pentax owners. You will get no business from Canon or Nikon shooters who already have a FF camera. Plus going FF is not one body. Does Pentax make a Landscape shooters camera at 24-36MP Hi-res sensor or a wedding shooters camera at 16-20MP high ISO sensor? Or both? How long would it take to create and build 12-16 lenses for this and a new flash system (the current flashes are not nearly good enough for a pro grade system).

All this would require a huge investment for what? 2% of the market if they are lucky? Don't do it Pentax. You build great APS-c cameras, keep doing that.

**LaurenOE** · 01-19-2012, 06:58 PM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by mattdm

Ah yes, the loyal Pentaxians who demand that Pentax change their strategy abandon their advanced APS-C camera niche in order to produce a higher-priced product that many of the loudest advocates won't even buy. Such loyal, loyal Pentaxians.

Not like the people who buy and support their current product line and hope for continuing innovation and evolution of the same. Those traitors!

You're not talking about me, thats' for sure. I'm going to buy whatever new APS-C comes out in addition to the FF if they produce one.

I always put my money where my "mouth" is.

My gear...don't ever mistake me for a casual Pentaxian, as I have been here for the long run.

EI100
(3) EI200
HP912/EI2000
(2) *istD,
K10D
(2) K5
645
(2) K1000
(3) K2
Super Program
Me Super
(2) MG
P5
Optio W10
Optio W80
Optio WG

About 20 Pentax Flashes.
About 60+ Lenses.
About a mile of flash cords and a ton of accessories.
Many other Pentax cameras that I have sold along the way

So don't try and invalidate my loyalty to Pentax.

Urkeldaedalus · 01-19-2012, 07:00 PM

For a long time I've wanted Pentax to fill out their D-FA lineup. I think if they brought a lot of good lenses out, like a high quality D-FA* 24 mm for example, people would buy that even if a full frame never showed up. But then once they brought that camera out, they'd already have the lenses for it.

Plus it has always looked so lonely, consisting of nothing but macro lenses.

JohnBee · 01-19-2012, 07:03 PM - **1 Like**

Wouldn't be better to create an official petition page and get everyone to sign it?

This way, people wouldn't need a facebook account to participate and and you could send the links to every Pentax corp.

I also think we should have a top most wanted feature links for upcoming bodies also.
This way Pentax would have no excuses in releasing the ultimate camera's! - Though please don't make lists without consulting with people first. imo. they never end-up being accurate and many very small but important features get left out.

My two cents.

filorp · 01-19-2012, 07:09 PM - **1 Like**

I think that people who buy FF camera its a bunch of well educated shooters - to spend 2000 for a camera it must be very reasonable and well thought reason.... for that kind of people 3 limiteds will be more than enough to take an advantage of such a camera - at least for me it will be. 12-16 lenses during the wedding and especially during on location session? I take and use maximum 2-3 lenses (one fast zoom as a backup would be nice)

01-19-2012, 05:28 PM - 23 Likes	#1
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,595	How to push the Pentax Full-Frame Idea and get that FF out faster... I have been told by our friends over at Pentaxeros (the Spanish Pentax community) that "it is believed" that a full-frame is on its way, although it's a personal hunch and not at all an official statement, let alone something based on what's currently in the pipeline. It seems that Ricoh isn't opening up to anyone about what they're working on, so I guess time will tell what they come up with. In the mean time, we will continue to try to push the Pentax Full-Frame idea and if we reach 3000 "Likes" in support of a Pentax Full-frame by CS+ (which is in 3 weeks), an official letter from Pentax Spain will go out to the higher-ups in order to make them aware of this strong backing. Just a few numbers: Currently, the (unofficial) Pentax Full-frame page has 2,200+ followers, while... the PentaxForums page has almost 7,000... and the official Pentax page has 43,000. So, combined, out two unofficial pages have almost a quarter of the followers of the official page, which really says something, doesn't it? Add on top of that this: PentaxForums.com's global traffic rank is 19,978, while PentaxImaging.com's global traffic tank is 136,591. So, if we speak up, we will be heard. Let's make it happen! Update: the letter to Pentax Japan has been written. Sit tight to hear what they respond with! Keep on supporting the full-frame page, as Pentax executives will soon be visiting it! Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

01-19-2012, 06:11 PM - 1 Like	#5
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,595 Original Poster	Originally posted by Winder DA* 135mm f/1.8 or a D-FA* 85mm f/1.4 I second this thought- when will these lenses come?? Adam PentaxForums.com Webmaster (Site Usage Guide \| Site Help \| My Photography) PentaxForums.com server and development costs are user-supported. You can help cover these costs by donating or purchasing one of our Pentax eBooks. Or, buy your photo gear from our affiliates, Adorama, B&H Photo, KEH, or Topaz Labs, and get FREE Marketplace access - click here to see how! Trusted Pentax retailers:

01-19-2012, 06:58 PM - 3 Likes	#12
LaurenOE Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Back in Florida, but worldwide gigs! Photos: Albums Posts: 3,690	Originally posted by mattdm Ah yes, the loyal Pentaxians who demand that Pentax change their strategy abandon their advanced APS-C camera niche in order to produce a higher-priced product that many of the loudest advocates won't even buy. Such loyal, loyal Pentaxians. Not like the people who buy and support their current product line and hope for continuing innovation and evolution of the same. Those traitors! You're not talking about me, thats' for sure. I'm going to buy whatever new APS-C comes out in addition to the FF if they produce one. I always put my money where my "mouth" is. My gear...don't ever mistake me for a casual Pentaxian, as I have been here for the long run. EI100 (3) EI200 HP912/EI2000 (2) istD, K10D (2) K5 645 (2) K1000 (3) K2 Super Program Me Super (2) MG P5 Optio W10 Optio W80 Optio WG About 20 Pentax Flashes. About 60+ Lenses. About a mile of flash cords and a ton of accessories. Many other Pentax cameras that I have sold along the way So don't try and invalidate my loyalty to Pentax. Last edited by LaurenOE; 05-28-2012 at 05:51 AM.*

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01-19-2012, 05:49 PM - 1 Like	#2
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Done and Commented

01-19-2012, 05:58 PM	#3
LaurenOE Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Back in Florida, but worldwide gigs! Photos: Albums Posts: 3,690	I don't know how much louder I can speak about what I want from Pentax! I've tried to voice my opinion on this forum on several issues recently and was shut down and my thread locked...however I will tell everyone I know about the Pentax FF I want regardless of the naysayers who trample loyal Pentaxians!

01-19-2012, 06:09 PM - 7 Likes	#4
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	I don't care as much about a 135mm body as I want to see some serious glass. To me sensor size is not as important as having a DA* 135mm f/1.8 or a D-FA* 85mm f/1.4 with something better than SDM.

01-19-2012, 06:18 PM	#6
Roob-N-Boots Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Palm Springs CA Posts: 393	Originally posted by Winder I don't care as much about a 135mm body as I want to see some serious glass. To me sensor size is not as important as having a DA* 135mm f/1.8 or a D-FA* 85mm f/1.4 with something better than SDM. With the release of a fullframe, Pentax will have to release professional grade lenses like the two you are asking for and then some.

01-19-2012, 06:29 PM - 1 Like	#7
Mehlsack Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Innsbruck Posts: 283	just Push the damn "Like" Button, for Gods sake ! I think Roob-N-Boots has a valid point there !

01-19-2012, 06:39 PM	#8
cmohr Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Brisbane. Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,824	Will do as soon as I gets home.... I also agree with Roob-N-Boots, a FF will bring new DFA options.

01-19-2012, 06:39 PM - 3 Likes	#9
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	Originally posted by LaurenOE I don't know how much louder I can speak about what I want from Pentax! I've tried to voice my opinion on this forum on several issues recently and was shut down and my thread locked...however I will tell everyone I know about the Pentax FF I want regardless of the naysayers who trample loyal Pentaxians! Ah yes, the loyal Pentaxians who demand that Pentax change their strategy abandon their advanced APS-C camera niche in order to produce a higher-priced product that many of the loudest advocates won't even buy. Such loyal, loyal Pentaxians. Not like the people who buy and support their current product line and hope for continuing innovation and evolution of the same. Those traitors!

01-19-2012, 06:40 PM	#10
dadipentak Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Baltimore, Maryland Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,590	Originally posted by Mehlsack just Push the damn "Like" Button, for Gods sake ! I'm not one of those panting for a FF but it seems to me that, for them as are, Adam's proposal makes a lot of sense.

01-19-2012, 06:46 PM - 6 Likes	#11
Peter Zack Pentaxian Moderator Emeritus Join Date: May 2007 Location: Edmonton Alberta, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,643	Originally posted by Roob-N-Boots With the release of a fullframe, Pentax will have to release professional grade lenses like the two you are asking for and then some. Which is exactly why I think going full frame is a HUGE MISTAKE and hope Pentax does not go this route. It will bankrupt the company unless Ricoh is prepared for a long term front end investment that will have no returns for 5 years. Pentax has a 5% market share and the only people who will buy FF are current Pentax owners. You will get no business from Canon or Nikon shooters who already have a FF camera. Plus going FF is not one body. Does Pentax make a Landscape shooters camera at 24-36MP Hi-res sensor or a wedding shooters camera at 16-20MP high ISO sensor? Or both? How long would it take to create and build 12-16 lenses for this and a new flash system (the current flashes are not nearly good enough for a pro grade system). All this would require a huge investment for what? 2% of the market if they are lucky? Don't do it Pentax. You build great APS-c cameras, keep doing that.

01-19-2012, 07:00 PM	#13
Urkeldaedalus Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Iowa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,369	For a long time I've wanted Pentax to fill out their D-FA lineup. I think if they brought a lot of good lenses out, like a high quality D-FA* 24 mm for example, people would buy that even if a full frame never showed up. But then once they brought that camera out, they'd already have the lenses for it. Plus it has always looked so lonely, consisting of nothing but macro lenses.

01-19-2012, 07:03 PM - 1 Like	#14
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Wouldn't be better to create an official petition page and get everyone to sign it? This way, people wouldn't need a facebook account to participate and and you could send the links to every Pentax corp. I also think we should have a top most wanted feature links for upcoming bodies also. This way Pentax would have no excuses in releasing the ultimate camera's! - Though please don't make lists without consulting with people first. imo. they never end-up being accurate and many very small but important features get left out. My two cents.

01-19-2012, 07:09 PM - 1 Like	#15
filorp Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Aberdeen Scotland Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 398	I think that people who buy FF camera its a bunch of well educated shooters - to spend 2000 for a camera it must be very reasonable and well thought reason.... for that kind of people 3 limiteds will be more than enough to take an advantage of such a camera - at least for me it will be. 12-16 lenses during the wedding and especially during on location session? I take and use maximum 2-3 lenses (one fast zoom as a backup would be nice)