Pentax Full Frame Dream Crushed Today

bossa · 04-08-2012, 01:09 AM

You realize that there's a simple cure for this depressing situation don't you? Buy a Nikon FF and stick a Pentax (recently become PenTAX based on new pricing) Decal on the Pentaprism. People have been whining on these forums for 4 years (at least) speculating about a FF at any time... it's tragic and I feel your pain... ..I'm looking at buying a Nikon or Canon after Photonika (even the name is an acronym for Nikon Photo if you reuse a couple of letters.. lol) if the news is bad.

the swede · 04-08-2012, 01:23 AM

Originally posted by bossa

You realize that there's a simple cure for this depressing situation don't you? Buy a Nikon FF and stick a Pentax (recently become PenTAX based on new pricing) Decal on the Pentaprism. People have been whining on these forums for 4 years (at least) speculating about a FF at any time... it's tragic and I feel your pain... ..I'm looking at buying a Nikon or Canon after Photonika (even the name is an acronym for Nikon Photo if you reuse a couple of letters.. lol) if the news is bad.

Im sorry if it came out like i am whining

Im not. I just found it interesting and couldnt help being a litle ironic about it all.
Also reminds me how far behind Pentax will be with lens support if they'd go FF in a year or two... otoh Tamron would have no problem with slapping a K-mount to that lens if they wanted to support Pentax when the time comes.

bossa · 04-08-2012, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by the swede

Im sorry if it came out like i am whining

Im not. I just found it interesting and couldnt help being a litle ironic about it all.
Also reminds me how far behind Pentax will be with lens support if they'd go FF in a year or two... otoh Tamron would have no problem with slapping a K-mount to that lens if they wanted to support Pentax when the time comes.

Sorry, I didn't mean to give the wrong impression as I wasn't targeting you with my comments at all. I was just trying to be a smart arse (smartass for Americans) and offer the obvoious path for those who seem stuck in the mud.

RonHendriks1966 · 04-08-2012, 02:03 AM

So I bought a FA 31mm/f1.8 Ltd. and that would give Pentax the green light to set off with a new Full Frame (or better an APS-H) camera!

the swede · 04-08-2012, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

So I bought a FA 31mm/f1.8 Ltd. and that would give Pentax the green light to set off with a new Full Frame (or better an APS-H) camera!

So... wtf didnt you do that a few years back??? Now?

edit: i'll do fine with APS-H to

parsons · 04-08-2012, 02:09 AM

Since Ricoh entered the situation things have been looking up generally.

Ashiflex has been saying about the end of apsc dslrs- with all the mirrorless cameras coming through. I would say that the next two years will be far more likely to see Pentax fill the gap in its line up than the last four were.

Think about it- a mirrorless camera with a direct upgrade route into a full frame would be a massive selling point for Pentax as a brand. Something no other brand could provide without an adapter- and all the adapters look stupid IMHO.

the swede · 04-08-2012, 02:16 AM

i'd do fine with that to

RonHendriks1966 · 04-08-2012, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by the swede

So... wtf didnt you do that a few years back??? Now?

edit: i'll do fine with APS-H to

Just forgot about it. I was thinking that with my set FA31mm, DA*55mm and FA*85mm I really don't need any other focallength under 100mm when in my bag is next to a K-5 also a FF camera. Mixing them with camera's gives me then options of using 31mm, 47mm, 55mm, 83mm, 85mm and 129mm. Looks perfect for me, don't really need wider then that.

the swede · 04-08-2012, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Just forgot about it. I was thinking that with my set FA31mm, DA*55mm and FA*85mm I really don't need any other focallength under 100mm when in my bag is next to a K-5 also a FF camera. Mixing them with camera's gives me then options of using 31mm, 47mm, 55mm, 83mm, 85mm and 129mm. Looks perfect for me, don't really need wider then that.

You are thinking good thoughts

Spare Tire · 04-08-2012, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by parsons

Think about it- a mirrorless camera with a direct upgrade route into a full frame would be a massive selling point for Pentax as a brand. Something no other brand could provide without an adapter- and all the adapters look stupid IMHO.

And the K-01 looks stupid IMHO.

thibs · 04-08-2012, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Spare Tire

And the K-01 looks stupid IMHO.

Probably the very best argument in the whole thread.

Asahiflex · 04-08-2012, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Spare Tire

And the K-01 looks stupid IMHO.

When one runs out of valid arguments, one starts questioning the external appearance.

parsons · 04-08-2012, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by Spare Tire

And the K-01 looks stupid IMHO.

Yeah I'm notthat keen either- should have looked like the q but bigger. Some people like it though- and at least it caused a mini stir anyway... It's a bit of a marmite camera (to coin a bad phrase).

parsons · 04-08-2012, 12:12 PM

Besides- we know that Ricoh hired more engineers (hired back the ones Hoya fired) they also put they whole ricoh imaging team under Pentax on top of the people already working for Hoya.

So there are lots of people working on something. Be that solely the k-5, k-r (plus the k-01, which to me seems like a mix of both) and gxr replacents (which the engineers could have presumably been able to do without hiring more) plus something else (which this logic suggests) or not remains to be seen (and will be seen at PK).

So there's no reason why FF can't be that thing.
Plus stick some new hardware in the 645d and we are away!

Pål Jensen · 04-08-2012, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by parsons

So there's no reason why FF can't be that thing.
Plus stick some new hardware in the 645d and we are away!

I suspect their priorities is to make the 645 system cheaper...but I could be wrong...

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04-08-2012, 01:09 AM	#616
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,539	You realize that there's a simple cure for this depressing situation don't you? Buy a Nikon FF and stick a Pentax (recently become PenTAX based on new pricing) Decal on the Pentaprism. People have been whining on these forums for 4 years (at least) speculating about a FF at any time... it's tragic and I feel your pain... ..I'm looking at buying a Nikon or Canon after Photonika (even the name is an acronym for Nikon Photo if you reuse a couple of letters.. lol) if the news is bad.

04-08-2012, 01:23 AM	#617
the swede Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,311	Originally posted by bossa You realize that there's a simple cure for this depressing situation don't you? Buy a Nikon FF and stick a Pentax (recently become PenTAX based on new pricing) Decal on the Pentaprism. People have been whining on these forums for 4 years (at least) speculating about a FF at any time... it's tragic and I feel your pain... ..I'm looking at buying a Nikon or Canon after Photonika (even the name is an acronym for Nikon Photo if you reuse a couple of letters.. lol) if the news is bad. Im sorry if it came out like i am whining Im not. I just found it interesting and couldnt help being a litle ironic about it all. Also reminds me how far behind Pentax will be with lens support if they'd go FF in a year or two... otoh Tamron would have no problem with slapping a K-mount to that lens if they wanted to support Pentax when the time comes.

04-08-2012, 01:58 AM	#618
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,539	Originally posted by the swede Im sorry if it came out like i am whining Im not. I just found it interesting and couldnt help being a litle ironic about it all. Also reminds me how far behind Pentax will be with lens support if they'd go FF in a year or two... otoh Tamron would have no problem with slapping a K-mount to that lens if they wanted to support Pentax when the time comes. Sorry, I didn't mean to give the wrong impression as I wasn't targeting you with my comments at all. I was just trying to be a smart arse (smartass for Americans) and offer the obvoious path for those who seem stuck in the mud.

04-08-2012, 02:03 AM	#619
RonHendriks1966 Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,714	So I bought a FA 31mm/f1.8 Ltd. and that would give Pentax the green light to set off with a new Full Frame (or better an APS-H) camera!

04-08-2012, 02:07 AM	#620
the swede Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,311	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 So I bought a FA 31mm/f1.8 Ltd. and that would give Pentax the green light to set off with a new Full Frame (or better an APS-H) camera! So... wtf didnt you do that a few years back??? Now? edit: i'll do fine with APS-H to

04-08-2012, 02:09 AM	#621
parsons Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	Since Ricoh entered the situation things have been looking up generally. Ashiflex has been saying about the end of apsc dslrs- with all the mirrorless cameras coming through. I would say that the next two years will be far more likely to see Pentax fill the gap in its line up than the last four were. Think about it- a mirrorless camera with a direct upgrade route into a full frame would be a massive selling point for Pentax as a brand. Something no other brand could provide without an adapter- and all the adapters look stupid IMHO.

04-08-2012, 02:16 AM	#622
the swede Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,311	i'd do fine with that to

04-08-2012, 10:21 AM	#623
RonHendriks1966 Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,714	Originally posted by the swede So... wtf didnt you do that a few years back??? Now? edit: i'll do fine with APS-H to Just forgot about it. I was thinking that with my set FA31mm, DA55mm and FA85mm I really don't need any other focallength under 100mm when in my bag is next to a K-5 also a FF camera. Mixing them with camera's gives me then options of using 31mm, 47mm, 55mm, 83mm, 85mm and 129mm. Looks perfect for me, don't really need wider then that.

04-08-2012, 11:21 AM	#624
the swede Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,311	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Just forgot about it. I was thinking that with my set FA31mm, DA55mm and FA85mm I really don't need any other focallength under 100mm when in my bag is next to a K-5 also a FF camera. Mixing them with camera's gives me then options of using 31mm, 47mm, 55mm, 83mm, 85mm and 129mm. Looks perfect for me, don't really need wider then that. You are thinking good thoughts

04-08-2012, 11:29 AM	#625
Spare Tire Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Montréal Posts: 120	Originally posted by parsons Think about it- a mirrorless camera with a direct upgrade route into a full frame would be a massive selling point for Pentax as a brand. Something no other brand could provide without an adapter- and all the adapters look stupid IMHO. And the K-01 looks stupid IMHO.

04-08-2012, 11:49 AM	#626
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 5,237	Originally posted by Spare Tire And the K-01 looks stupid IMHO. Probably the very best argument in the whole thread.

04-08-2012, 11:57 AM	#627
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,754	Originally posted by Spare Tire And the K-01 looks stupid IMHO. When one runs out of valid arguments, one starts questioning the external appearance.

04-08-2012, 12:00 PM	#628
parsons Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	Originally posted by Spare Tire And the K-01 looks stupid IMHO. Yeah I'm notthat keen either- should have looked like the q but bigger. Some people like it though- and at least it caused a mini stir anyway... It's a bit of a marmite camera (to coin a bad phrase).

04-08-2012, 12:12 PM	#629
parsons Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: ENGLAND Posts: 389	Besides- we know that Ricoh hired more engineers (hired back the ones Hoya fired) they also put they whole ricoh imaging team under Pentax on top of the people already working for Hoya. So there are lots of people working on something. Be that solely the k-5, k-r (plus the k-01, which to me seems like a mix of both) and gxr replacents (which the engineers could have presumably been able to do without hiring more) plus something else (which this logic suggests) or not remains to be seen (and will be seen at PK). So there's no reason why FF can't be that thing. Plus stick some new hardware in the 645d and we are away!

04-08-2012, 04:48 PM	#630
Pål Jensen Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 3,130	Originally posted by parsons So there's no reason why FF can't be that thing. Plus stick some new hardware in the 645d and we are away! I suspect their priorities is to make the 645 system cheaper...but I could be wrong...