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02-18-2012, 01:25 AM   #91
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Then why not rate it DFA?

Because they didn't do it might be proof they aren't even considering a ff.

No, because it would told SoCanikon that Pentax will soon move to FullFrame. And that would be a very big mistake.

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It's always easy for us to say someone else should take a risk.
It's us who are taking a risk. A big risk.

Because it is us who invest into a system which may turn out a dead end. The K mount is an FF SLR mount and if no SLR bodies or lenses are ever made for it it will eventually die. That's for sure.
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
It's us who are taking a risk. A big risk.

Because it is us who invest into a system which may turn out a dead end. The K mount is an FF SLR mount and if no SLR bodies or lenses are ever made for it it will eventually die. That's for sure.
That's pretty narrow minded!

Pentax currently doesn't have FF. Pentax never promised FF. Then why buy into Pentax if you want/need FF?!?

The risk is for Pentax if they decide to bow to demands of users that buy into system A and then suddenly demand system B. That's a HUGE risk. Such users are never satisfied. 99,99% chance such users will bitch about everything Pentax throws at them.

I wanted a APC-S DSLR, which Pentax does pretty well. I'll buy the next Pentax APS-C DSLR after the K5, the one after that, and the one after that.

The only risk for the current user-base (that consciously chose for Pentax DSLR) is if some idiot decides mirrorless or getting rid of K-mount is a good idea.
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
It's us who are taking a risk. A big risk.

Because it is us who invest into a system which may turn out a dead end. The K mount is an FF SLR mount and if no SLR bodies or lenses are ever made for it it will eventually die. That's for sure.
Erm... new K-mount bodies and lenses are launched all the time. We even have a roadmap now
P.S. There is nothing that prevents the K-mount to be an excellent APS-C mount.

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Don't the big two offer a aps-c only 50mm f1.8 already? I think the purpose of that lens is to give new users a taste of what their expensive glass has to offer at an absolute minimal cost. These users they are targeting would not have started with a full-frame camera. They would have an 18-55mm aps-c kit lens and entry level or midrange DSLR body. They also focus on cost before most factors and are probably the type to (almost) never buy a third lens after they get a 55-300mm. I think this lens will be around $100 for absolute appeal...
But the 50mm isn't the only lens.
Many of the tele lenses seems to be okay, and the DA*200 is a redesign of the FA*200 so if one lens should or could be named DFA then it was that one.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
No, because it would told SoCanikon that Pentax will soon move to FullFrame. And that would be a very big mistake.
Not really, Pentax do have DFA lenses and if someone would know what Pentax is up to or at least if there will come a FF it would be Sony, being one of the main sensor providers...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Anvh Quote
Not really, Pentax do have DFA lenses and if someone would know what Pentax is up to or at least if there will come a FF it would be Sony, being one of the main sensor providers...
Pentax has only TWO DFA lenses for K-mount. The both are macro.
It's historical lens casus IMO
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
It's us who are taking a risk. A big risk.

Because it is us who invest into a system which may turn out a dead end. The K mount is an FF SLR mount and if no SLR bodies or lenses are ever made for it it will eventually die. That's for sure.
I agree that it seems like Pentaxians have the greater risk... but historically I believe it was Canon that royally screwed it's customers.

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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
It's us who are taking a risk. A big risk.

Because it is us who invest into a system which may turn out a dead end. The K mount is an FF SLR mount and if no SLR bodies or lenses are ever made for it it will eventually die. That's for sure.
Who says they won't make K-mount lenses?
Anyway, we've heard this for about 30 years now...
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QuoteOriginally posted by Pål Jensen Quote
Who says they won't make K-mount lenses?
Anyway, we've heard this for about 30 years now...
And each of those 30 years Pentax lost more and more market share. Just a few years ago they has over 10% of the market. Now they are +/-4%. They have slowly lost all of of their 3rd party support. There are rumors that Pentax has struck a deal with Sigma keep K-mount lenses in the Sigma line-up.

Ricoh has a lot of work to do to bring the brand back, but first they need to stop the slide.
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And each of those 30 years Pentax lost more and more market share. Just a few years ago they has over 10% of the market. Now they are +/-4%. They have slowly lost all of of their 3rd party support. There are rumors that Pentax has struck a deal with Sigma keep K-mount lenses in the Sigma line-up.

Ricoh has a lot of work to do to bring the brand back, but first they need to stop the slide.
There is no slide. Pentax have never had 10% marketshare in the digital age. They currently have the larger markedshare ever at about 7%.
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They lost market share. It doesn't mean they lost customers. This is huge difference.
It's no bright either, but the outcome and the way to 'cure' the problem is different IMO.
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Exactly, now days with higher quality cameras at affordable prices, the DSLR/ILC market has grown exponentially.. Pentax has simply failed to grow their numbers at the same rate as the market inflation... possibly due to lack of upgrade path?
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Exactly, now days with higher quality cameras at affordable prices, the DSLR/ILC market has grown exponentially.. Pentax has simply failed to grow their numbers at the same rate as the market inflation... possibly due to lack of upgrade path?
I always blame the gaps in the lens lineup and the lack of really special lenses. Like ultrafast, superlong and micro. People using all platforms have LBA. LBA doesn't discriminate. If there's a Pentax lens they REALLY want, then they need a body to mount it on too.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Pentax has only TWO DFA lenses for K-mount. The both are macro.
It's historical lens casus IMO
Why does that matter?
The DFA designation is correct for digital full frame lens so if a fullframe camera will come the lenses for it will be called DFA, just look at what is happening in 645 camp.
So it's quite simple, pentax aren't considereing FF because all lenses released are DA lenses or Pentax will once again redesign lenses (simply put DFA badge on some).
For now DA lenses can't be used for FF even though we know some lenses will work just fine but pentax shot themselves in the foot by naming them DA.

Or do you think Pentax will make a list of which DA lenses work and which not with an FF camera when they will launch it?
That would be too confusing...
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