Pentax Full Frame Dream Crushed Today

deadwolfbones · 03-23-2012, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Large 4/3th is also an option.

Flagship camera wouldn't have a smaller sensor than the flagship APS-C, would it?

eddie1960 · 03-23-2012, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by deadwolfbones

Flagship camera wouldn't have a smaller sensor than the flagship APS-C, would it?

i think he means aspect ratio 4:3 sometimes Ron doesn't translate to English well

deadwolfbones · 03-23-2012, 10:22 AM

Ah, gotcha. :P

Coeurdechene · 03-23-2012, 10:28 AM

A square sensor would be nice!! i've always loved the format in the hassys, 6x6 produces a very different feel

a square 35mm would be noted...but i'm not sure if there would be a market open to it.

Just one rumour site, and pretty lose statements, not sure if that's smoke or just talk...we'll have to wait. And then someone said something very interesting about the square sensor...that it wouldn't be FF yet...And with all those lenses geared towards aps-c i'm sure someone who hasn't forgotten all his basic geometry can tell us if it can be larger (the square over the rectangle), use those lenses, and how much more it can be.
And the Kz might just be the replacement to the Kr, with lots of colors...andddddd nothing more (maybe some features).

After Dxo sensor performance of the d800 released a couple of hours ago pentax would have to get killer performance for a better price to snatch some FF buyers...the d800 is an impressive beast indeed. Unless they do something feasable and different they are in an uphill position in relation to the FF issue.

Asahiflex · 03-23-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

Well Aristophenes it looks like perhaps you may be proven wrong come Photokina when it comes to a camera above apsc

In 2011 I said to Aristophanes that he owes us an apology when Pentax announces a FF DSLR at 2012 Photokina. He agreed to that and I won't forget that

**monochrome** · 03-23-2012, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

In 2011 I said to Aristophanes that he owes us an apology when Pentax announces a FF DSLR at 2012 Photokina. He agreed to that and I won't forget that

I think Photokina is going to call for popcorn. And beer.

thibs · 03-23-2012, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

I think Photokina is going to call for popcorn. And beer.

Oh, yes

eddie1960 · 03-23-2012, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

I think Photokina is going to call for popcorn. And beer.

If some of the rumours are accurate I think it may call for Champagne

**monochrome** · 03-23-2012, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by eddie1960

If some of the rumours are accurate I think it may call for Champagne

Wanna place bets who complains about whatever it is? Winner gets champagne.

Clavius · 03-23-2012, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Wanna place bets who complains about whatever it is? Winner gets champagne.

I'm surprised people aren't complain already!

**monochrome** · 03-23-2012, 01:30 PM

After all this "good cheer" stuff I hope I'm not chagrined (ducks). If Sony really shifts 100% to SLT we'll see what happens - did Sony hear footsteps?

eddie1960 · 03-23-2012, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Wanna place bets who complains about whatever it is? Winner gets champagne.

do I have to list them all?????

**Aristophanes** · 03-23-2012, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by Asahiflex

In 2011 I said to Aristophanes that he owes us an apology when Pentax announces a FF DSLR at 2012 Photokina. He agreed to that and I won't forget that

The surest way to kill K-5 sales and future sales in the near term would be to have pre-release information about an FF model. So I take these combined rumours with a huge grain of salt. It would be incredibly irresponsible of Pentax corporate to stall revenues of current products to hype future ones.

I would not be surprised to see upgraded K-5(n) and K-r(z) soon, and at PK a proof-of-concept display, but no release date or projections beyond a vague "late 2013". Same as the 645D. I would not say that is an "announcement". That's my call.

I also would not be surprised to see an upgraded K-01 with a swivel LCD at PK. The design practically screams for one and mirrorless is all about rapid development and upgrade cycles right now.

NotaxPen · 03-23-2012, 05:31 PM

I would like to see a square FF sensor that could switch between horizontal and vertical shots without turning the camera. I don't mean take square photos and crop them later. I mean have it square to cover both a horizontal or vertical shot and with the press of a button you could switch between the two.

RXrenesis8 · 03-23-2012, 05:34 PM

On a completely different tangent, DxO published their report on the D800 specs and it doesn't show as much of an improvement over the K-5 in terms of dynamic range as I would have hoped:

DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side

03-23-2012, 05:31 PM	#569
NotaxPen Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 123	Square sensor FF idea I would like to see a square FF sensor that could switch between horizontal and vertical shots without turning the camera. I don't mean take square photos and crop them later. I mean have it square to cover both a horizontal or vertical shot and with the press of a button you could switch between the two.

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03-23-2012, 09:51 AM	#556
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 7,451	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Large 4/3th is also an option. Flagship camera wouldn't have a smaller sensor than the flagship APS-C, would it?

03-23-2012, 10:03 AM	#557
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by deadwolfbones Flagship camera wouldn't have a smaller sensor than the flagship APS-C, would it? i think he means aspect ratio 4:3 sometimes Ron doesn't translate to English well

03-23-2012, 10:22 AM	#558
deadwolfbones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Fe, NM Posts: 7,451	Ah, gotcha. :P

03-23-2012, 10:28 AM	#559
Coeurdechene Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: madrid Photos: Albums Posts: 833	A square sensor would be nice!! i've always loved the format in the hassys, 6x6 produces a very different feel a square 35mm would be noted...but i'm not sure if there would be a market open to it. Just one rumour site, and pretty lose statements, not sure if that's smoke or just talk...we'll have to wait. And then someone said something very interesting about the square sensor...that it wouldn't be FF yet...And with all those lenses geared towards aps-c i'm sure someone who hasn't forgotten all his basic geometry can tell us if it can be larger (the square over the rectangle), use those lenses, and how much more it can be. And the Kz might just be the replacement to the Kr, with lots of colors...andddddd nothing more (maybe some features). After Dxo sensor performance of the d800 released a couple of hours ago pentax would have to get killer performance for a better price to snatch some FF buyers...the d800 is an impressive beast indeed. Unless they do something feasable and different they are in an uphill position in relation to the FF issue.

03-23-2012, 10:28 AM	#560
Asahiflex Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Netherlands Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,795	Originally posted by eddie1960 Well Aristophenes it looks like perhaps you may be proven wrong come Photokina when it comes to a camera above apsc In 2011 I said to Aristophanes that he owes us an apology when Pentax announces a FF DSLR at 2012 Photokina. He agreed to that and I won't forget that

03-23-2012, 10:58 AM	#561
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Asahiflex In 2011 I said to Aristophanes that he owes us an apology when Pentax announces a FF DSLR at 2012 Photokina. He agreed to that and I won't forget that I think Photokina is going to call for popcorn. And beer.

03-23-2012, 12:23 PM	#562
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by monochrome I think Photokina is going to call for popcorn. And beer. Oh, yes

03-23-2012, 12:34 PM	#563
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by monochrome I think Photokina is going to call for popcorn. And beer. If some of the rumours are accurate I think it may call for Champagne

03-23-2012, 12:48 PM	#564
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by eddie1960 If some of the rumours are accurate I think it may call for Champagne Wanna place bets who complains about whatever it is? Winner gets champagne.

03-23-2012, 01:25 PM	#565
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by monochrome Wanna place bets who complains about whatever it is? Winner gets champagne. I'm surprised people aren't complain already!

03-23-2012, 01:30 PM	#566
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	After all this "good cheer" stuff I hope I'm not chagrined (ducks). If Sony really shifts 100% to SLT we'll see what happens - did Sony hear footsteps?

03-23-2012, 01:41 PM	#567
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by monochrome Wanna place bets who complains about whatever it is? Winner gets champagne. do I have to list them all?????

03-23-2012, 05:08 PM	#568
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by Asahiflex In 2011 I said to Aristophanes that he owes us an apology when Pentax announces a FF DSLR at 2012 Photokina. He agreed to that and I won't forget that The surest way to kill K-5 sales and future sales in the near term would be to have pre-release information about an FF model. So I take these combined rumours with a huge grain of salt. It would be incredibly irresponsible of Pentax corporate to stall revenues of current products to hype future ones. I would not be surprised to see upgraded K-5(n) and K-r(z) soon, and at PK a proof-of-concept display, but no release date or projections beyond a vague "late 2013". Same as the 645D. I would not say that is an "announcement". That's my call. I also would not be surprised to see an upgraded K-01 with a swivel LCD at PK. The design practically screams for one and mirrorless is all about rapid development and upgrade cycles right now.

03-23-2012, 05:34 PM	#570
RXrenesis8 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Orlando, FL (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 523	On a completely different tangent, DxO published their report on the D800 specs and it doesn't show as much of an improvement over the K-5 in terms of dynamic range as I would have hoped: DxOMark - Compare cameras side by side