Pentax full frame rumour

fikkser · 08-01-2012, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by dcshooter

Forget EVFs.

What I'd like to know about this Emacs guy is why his avatar looks exactly like a Nazi party flag with a xi instead of a swastika.

Probably because he's a nazi. What did you think you stupid ...

That's just retarded, shut it please.

BTW, where are the mods? This thread is nuts.

bossa · 08-01-2012, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by falconeye

That's why emacs is on my ignore list. I feel personally offended. Long ago, I kindly asked emacs to change his avatar and I reported his avatar to Adam and I am actually rather shocked that he did not act at all. And I am sure emacs does exactly intend to provoque the kind of reaction he gets. IMHO, he deserves to be banned immediately and w/o further notice.

Not when it comes to racism or people obviously sympathizing with it or their symbols. Over here in Germany, we received an education to never ever again let it happen. No space for tolerance here. We even have laws which would apply here ...

But as such discussions heat up quickly and emacs is on my ignore list anyway, this is going to be my only comment on the matter.

I see the white circle on a red background as being a derivation from 'that' flag but the symbol is just an E. But in the end though, I suppose that it is a Nazi flag as it appears to be the intent.

I have difficulties with the person in question too but I will say no more on this subject here.

ElJamoquio · 08-01-2012, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Don't forget the waist off money spend on the bigger sensor you'r not using with cropping. With the same image as an end result you need bigger lenses or take a walk towards your pictureframe to make it the same.

I assume you're only talking about long lenses (i.e. perspective change of 1.5mm focal length change isn't appreciable)?

Wired · 08-01-2012, 06:33 PM

I think at the end of the day having both is the way to go

Alizarine · 08-01-2012, 08:29 PM

Let's just get back to FF rumors please

btw, if Nikon can fit an FF sensor in the D7000 body, that is probably because they don't have the SR mechanism around the sensor....
As for FF in a K-5 body, it could be possible but, can Pentax still fit the SR stuff in it with a sensor almost twice as big?

TomTextura · 08-01-2012, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by Wired

I think at the end of the day having both is the way to go

That's my eventual plan. I just hope I can make it real without having to resort to Nikon.

glanglois · 08-01-2012, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by fikkser

Probably because he's a nazi. What did you think you stupid ...

That's just retarded, shut it please.

BTW, where are the mods? This thread is nuts.

Another satisfied, inoffensive Forums customer ....

bossa · 08-01-2012, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by glanglois

Another satisfied, inoffensive Forums customer ....

You have to wonder just how brave some of these guys would be to your face.

rawr · 08-02-2012, 12:00 AM

As a user of the 'Classic' VB forum style (see bottom of page), and with Thread Display Options > View Avatars turned off, I don't see any avatars...
Fast, simple and no fuss

LamyTax · 08-02-2012, 12:03 AM

A march announcement for FF development is certainly possible.
But that doesn't mean much, they've announced the 645D quite a few times

.

They certainly can pull it off within a year from now, so they might just announce it in march.

RonHendriks1966 · 08-02-2012, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

I assume you're only talking about long lenses (i.e. perspective change of 1.5mm focal length change isn't appreciable)?

Well I'm mostly talking about longer lenses, starting from 85mm on aps-c. I do some sports and I'm not allowed to walk on the field during a game, so I would need a longer lens.

Clavius · 08-02-2012, 12:39 AM

Originally posted by LamyTax

A march announcement for FF development is certainly possible.
But that doesn't mean much, they've announced the 645D quite a few times.

They certainly can pull it off within a year from now, so they might just announce it in march.

What if they were already working on one before the Ricoh switch? Then it could even be unveiled in September. Together with a FF lineup... The the three FA ltds in DFA form with WR and DC motors.

I know it's not realistic; just trying to rescue this thread.

**Schraubstock** · 08-02-2012, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Fl_Gulfer

CONS ... more difficult to fill the frame with distant, easily-spooked subjects like birds

Just crop to APS C dimensions and you have your "fill" or am I overlooking something here.

Greetings

LamyTax · 08-02-2012, 12:56 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

What if they were already working on one before the Ricoh switch? Then it could even be unveiled in September. Together with a FF lineup... The the three FA ltds in DFA form with WR and DC motors.

I know it's not realistic; just trying to rescue this thread.

There's too much other stuff going on at the moment. The transition period wasn't easy. I'd be really surprised if they have one ready for photokina.
Hoya was tough to work under. If they've worked on FF back then, it was only a small team, and not full time.

It'd make sense for Pentax not to release a high-end FF-body for their first FF-camera. There's not much market for that.
Rather have something like the D800. Doesn't take magic to develop it, either.
The problem with such a release is -- by that time, the prices for D800 and 5DMIII will be lower than they're now, so what price range to aim for!?
An affordable FF-body surely will gain momentum.

Originally posted by Fl_Gulfer

Full frame cameras

PROS
take full advantage of wide-angle lenses
allows the photographer to move in closer to the subject and so reduce the depth of field
the larger sensor has manufacturing advantages that can result in less noise in your images
great for landscape photography and often preferred for street photography

CONS
more expensive than APS-C
more difficult to fill the frame with distant, easily-spooked subjects like birds

The wide angle thing isn't an argument imho. Just look at how well some UWA-lenses perform on APS-C.
Full frame isn't that great for photography with long lenses, either, like you say.
Of course, if you have a high resolution FF-sensor that has the same pixel size of an APS-C sensor, then you can crop without loss (well, in theory).

What it really comes down to is image quality/higher resolution (or same resolution at better specifications) and better control over DOF.

Clavius · 08-02-2012, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by LamyTax

It'd make sense for Pentax not to release a high-end FF-body for their first FF-camera. There's not much market for that.
Rather have something like the D800. Doesn't take magic to develop it, either.
The problem with such a release is -- by that time, the prices for D800 and 5DMIII will be lower than they're now, so what price range to aim for!?
An affordable FF-body surely will gain momentum.

I totally agree, I would pre-order that FF that's more affordable then any competition in no-time. Just like many others, that part of the market is wide open. It will even attract people from Canon and Nikon, who want FF, but find it to expensive.

BUT... Pentax is still trying to get rid of the 'cheap'-stigma, even though they haven't been cheap in years. So they are going to want to avoid that.

The only solution to that is producing some niche product, as they stated themselves. A specialized high quality FF body that is much more affordable then the competition, only because it lacks certain features. For example: The worlds smallest most portable FF body. Together with the small limiteds in a revamped edition. That would certainly put Pentax back on the map. (Even if it means having an EVF.

)

08-02-2012, 12:56 AM	#734
LamyTax Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 376	Originally posted by Clavius What if they were already working on one before the Ricoh switch? Then it could even be unveiled in September. Together with a FF lineup... The the three FA ltds in DFA form with WR and DC motors. I know it's not realistic; just trying to rescue this thread. There's too much other stuff going on at the moment. The transition period wasn't easy. I'd be really surprised if they have one ready for photokina. Hoya was tough to work under. If they've worked on FF back then, it was only a small team, and not full time. It'd make sense for Pentax not to release a high-end FF-body for their first FF-camera. There's not much market for that. Rather have something like the D800. Doesn't take magic to develop it, either. The problem with such a release is -- by that time, the prices for D800 and 5DMIII will be lower than they're now, so what price range to aim for!? An affordable FF-body surely will gain momentum. Originally posted by Fl_Gulfer Full frame cameras PROS take full advantage of wide-angle lenses allows the photographer to move in closer to the subject and so reduce the depth of field the larger sensor has manufacturing advantages that can result in less noise in your images great for landscape photography and often preferred for street photography CONS more expensive than APS-C more difficult to fill the frame with distant, easily-spooked subjects like birds The wide angle thing isn't an argument imho. Just look at how well some UWA-lenses perform on APS-C. Full frame isn't that great for photography with long lenses, either, like you say. Of course, if you have a high resolution FF-sensor that has the same pixel size of an APS-C sensor, then you can crop without loss (well, in theory). What it really comes down to is image quality/higher resolution (or same resolution at better specifications) and better control over DOF. Last edited by LamyTax; 08-02-2012 at 01:05 AM.

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08-01-2012, 04:54 PM	#721
fikkser Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Borlänge, Sweden Posts: 373	Originally posted by dcshooter Forget EVFs. What I'd like to know about this Emacs guy is why his avatar looks exactly like a Nazi party flag with a xi instead of a swastika. Probably because he's a nazi. What did you think you stupid ... That's just retarded, shut it please. BTW, where are the mods? This thread is nuts.

08-01-2012, 05:06 PM	#722
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by falconeye That's why emacs is on my ignore list. I feel personally offended. Long ago, I kindly asked emacs to change his avatar and I reported his avatar to Adam and I am actually rather shocked that he did not act at all. And I am sure emacs does exactly intend to provoque the kind of reaction he gets. IMHO, he deserves to be banned immediately and w/o further notice. Not when it comes to racism or people obviously sympathizing with it or their symbols. Over here in Germany, we received an education to never ever again let it happen. No space for tolerance here. We even have laws which would apply here ... But as such discussions heat up quickly and emacs is on my ignore list anyway, this is going to be my only comment on the matter. I see the white circle on a red background as being a derivation from 'that' flag but the symbol is just an E. But in the end though, I suppose that it is a Nazi flag as it appears to be the intent. I have difficulties with the person in question too but I will say no more on this subject here.

08-01-2012, 05:36 PM	#723
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Don't forget the waist off money spend on the bigger sensor you'r not using with cropping. With the same image as an end result you need bigger lenses or take a walk towards your pictureframe to make it the same. I assume you're only talking about long lenses (i.e. perspective change of 1.5mm focal length change isn't appreciable)?

08-01-2012, 06:33 PM	#724
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	I think at the end of the day having both is the way to go

08-01-2012, 08:29 PM	#725
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Let's just get back to FF rumors please btw, if Nikon can fit an FF sensor in the D7000 body, that is probably because they don't have the SR mechanism around the sensor.... As for FF in a K-5 body, it could be possible but, can Pentax still fit the SR stuff in it with a sensor almost twice as big?

08-01-2012, 08:32 PM	#726
TomTextura Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Denver Photos: Albums Posts: 570	Originally posted by Wired I think at the end of the day having both is the way to go That's my eventual plan. I just hope I can make it real without having to resort to Nikon.

08-01-2012, 08:56 PM	#727
glanglois Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Madison, Wis., USA Posts: 1,506	Originally posted by fikkser Probably because he's a nazi. What did you think you stupid ... That's just retarded, shut it please. BTW, where are the mods? This thread is nuts. Another satisfied, inoffensive Forums customer ....

08-01-2012, 09:31 PM	#728
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by glanglois Another satisfied, inoffensive Forums customer .... You have to wonder just how brave some of these guys would be to your face.

08-02-2012, 12:00 AM	#729
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	As a user of the 'Classic' VB forum style (see bottom of page), and with Thread Display Options > View Avatars turned off, I don't see any avatars... Fast, simple and no fuss

08-02-2012, 12:03 AM	#730
LamyTax Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 376	A march announcement for FF development is certainly possible. But that doesn't mean much, they've announced the 645D quite a few times . They certainly can pull it off within a year from now, so they might just announce it in march.

08-02-2012, 12:15 AM	#731
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by ElJamoquio I assume you're only talking about long lenses (i.e. perspective change of 1.5mm focal length change isn't appreciable)? Well I'm mostly talking about longer lenses, starting from 85mm on aps-c. I do some sports and I'm not allowed to walk on the field during a game, so I would need a longer lens.

08-02-2012, 12:39 AM	#732
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by LamyTax A march announcement for FF development is certainly possible. But that doesn't mean much, they've announced the 645D quite a few times. They certainly can pull it off within a year from now, so they might just announce it in march. What if they were already working on one before the Ricoh switch? Then it could even be unveiled in September. Together with a FF lineup... The the three FA ltds in DFA form with WR and DC motors. I know it's not realistic; just trying to rescue this thread.

08-02-2012, 12:51 AM	#733
Schraubstock Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Melbourne Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,386	Originally posted by Fl_Gulfer CONS ... more difficult to fill the frame with distant, easily-spooked subjects like birds Just crop to APS C dimensions and you have your "fill" or am I overlooking something here. Greetings

08-02-2012, 01:28 AM	#735
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by LamyTax It'd make sense for Pentax not to release a high-end FF-body for their first FF-camera. There's not much market for that. Rather have something like the D800. Doesn't take magic to develop it, either. The problem with such a release is -- by that time, the prices for D800 and 5DMIII will be lower than they're now, so what price range to aim for!? An affordable FF-body surely will gain momentum. I totally agree, I would pre-order that FF that's more affordable then any competition in no-time. Just like many others, that part of the market is wide open. It will even attract people from Canon and Nikon, who want FF, but find it to expensive. BUT... Pentax is still trying to get rid of the 'cheap'-stigma, even though they haven't been cheap in years. So they are going to want to avoid that. The only solution to that is producing some niche product, as they stated themselves. A specialized high quality FF body that is much more affordable then the competition, only because it lacks certain features. For example: The worlds smallest most portable FF body. Together with the small limiteds in a revamped edition. That would certainly put Pentax back on the map. (Even if it means having an EVF. )