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10-06-2012, 05:26 AM   #61
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That would be great and I would sell my 40mm Ltd pancake, since I wouldn't have any use for it anymore. Probably a little bigger lens or does anyone know if it still would be pancakelike?

10-06-2012, 06:15 AM   #62
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QuoteOriginally posted by RuiC Quote
This one is not a zoom but a fixed 20mm instead !
Maybe...I don't understand patent info... It's my mistake....

Maybe it's 21/3.2?
10-06-2012, 06:19 AM   #63
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote

United States Patent: 7324293


found also 20-38/3.3 zoom...


a high quality retrofocus wide-angle lens system with the following features can be attained:

(i) being thin (miniaturized) in the optical axis direction; (PANCAKE???)

(ii) coma, distortion and chromatic aberration are suitably corrected; and

(iii) achieving an angle-of-view of approximately 70.degree..

Is it new DA LIMITED???
Not so new:

- patent application: February 24, 2006
- patent granted: January 29, 2008

Embodiments are 20.6mm f/3.3 and 21.6mm f/3.3.

This is the patent of DA 21mm f/3.2 Limited.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Not so new:

- patent application: February 24, 2006
- patent granted: January 29, 2008

Embodiments are 20.6mm f/3.3 and 21.6mm f/3.3.

This is the patent of DA 21mm f/3.2 Limited.
Yes...It was night and I've looked not thoroughly Sorry...

But 16-20/4 is real.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
Yes...It was night and I've looked not thoroughly Sorry...

But 16-20/4 is real.
Don't worry about that!!
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Let's just pray its not SDM.
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I personally don't think a patent like this says much about there being a full-frame or not. However, I do think that it's inevitable that Pentax will eventually come out with a full-frame, as let's face it, casual and P&S cameras are getting APS-C sensors now.

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.....let's face it, casual and P&S cameras are getting APS-C sensors now.
yes. pretty much.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Adam Quote
I personally don't think a patent like this says much about there being a full-frame or not. However, I do think that it's inevitable that Pentax will eventually come out with a full-frame, as let's face it, casual and P&S cameras are getting APS-C sensors now.
That is why I would never go down the Q road.
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That is why I would never go down the Q road.
But I do; it is the perfect camera to compliment the K5 with a really pocketable system
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But I do; it is the perfect camera to compliment the K5 with a really pocketable system
Unfortunately for Pentax, there are several better (some more pocketable) alternatives.
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But I do; it is the perfect camera to compliment the K5 with a really pocketable system

And that sad fact is that the LX5 and LX7 (and for that matter the LX3) have bigger sensors than the Q.
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Bigger, but not surely better in terms of noise for example...

Two mistakes were made with the Q launch last year :
- too high price (mabe because too high production costs)
- no dedicated Q/K adaptor. Therefore no advantage to use other glasses when appropriate (macro, super-tele), with high shutter/flash speeds and automatisms including stabilisation.

Now that both tweaks have been addressed, this system should do much better.

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QuoteOriginally posted by illdefined Quote
Unfortunately for Pentax, there are several better (some more pocketable) alternatives.

None of the alternatives turns my 50mm lens into a 280mm lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by illdefined Quote
Unfortunately for Pentax, there are several better (some more pocketable) alternatives.
The design of the Q and concept is excellent.

The sensor being too small and the price being too high are death to the model.

It is destroyed by the competition. It is not even carried where I live. All other small model cameras in its class are readily available.
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