Originally posted by illdefined I hope you aren't suggesting the economy will somehow affect DSLRs growth, but not the growth of same priced mirrorless cameras...
Nope...
But it could make people going for cheaper cameras.
Originally posted by illdefined ok...so you believe it wasn't rushed?
Yep.
Originally posted by illdefined you're totally guessing, just like I am. you're not looking at realtime data, only old data. please, tell me who's going to win the election with last year's newspaper.
What exactly am I guessing?
No strawmen, please - I want
actual, not old data. And to answer your question: I would use data, i.e. polls made by reliable institutions, to say who would most likely win some election.
Originally posted by illdefined How is making another DSLR "driving the market"? They failed because they tried to tackle the DSLR market with a smaller sensor than the competition, and the IQ wasn't worth the size/weight/complexity of the mirror/prism in the system. sound familiar? yes, a seriously dangerous parallel for APS-C now that advanced mirrorless cams have caught up to them.
How is making another MILC "driving the market", then?
I told you, "driving the market" doesn't specifically means MILCs, nor "full frames". It also doesn't imply success. Indeed, Olympus tried to "drive the market" towards their "standard" 4/3 system, and they failed.
You can't draw any dangerous parallel with APS-C, because APS-C is doing quite well.
Originally posted by illdefined are you really trying to judge the current price of a 2010 camera with their current sales? Olympus is on the E-PL5 now. how much has the Q gone down in price? please try harder.
You don't see the issue? You said it yourself: Olympus is on the E-PL5 now (and still, they have unsold E-PL1 stocks). Let's see their MILC timeline:
2010:
- E-PL1 (3rd Feb.)
- E-PL1s (16th Nov)
2011:
- E-PL2 (3rd Jan)
- E-P3 (30th Jun)
- E-PL3 (30th Jun)
- E-PM1 (30th Jun)
2012:
- E-M5 (8th Feb)
- E-PM2 (17th Sep)
- E-PL5 (17th Sep)
Still can't see it? They're flooding the market with lots of models, mostly cheap ones, and they don't care if they'll have 5 generations old cameras gathering dust on shelves. Such a model can indeed bring market share; but it's very inefficient if you want to also make a profit.
I doubt Pentax wants to play this game.
The Q is selling, afaik, around half its initial price; but you must agree it was vastly overpriced, at $800. The E-PL1 was $600, and $140 is less than 1/4 of that.