Originally posted by Class A By expressing that this or that lens has weak corners on an FF camera, the poster is implicitly making a comparison to corner performance on a crop camera.
No he wasn't. See you've got "equivalence" on the brain so you naturally go there. He wasn't comparing the corners to ANYTHING because he was saying he *has never seen the corners* before (because they've been cropped out on APS-C) -- he was talking about the image circle of a particular lens not equivalent images. He was I suppose implicitly comparing the APS-C corners (the ones he gets) with the corners he gets from the same lens on FF, but those are very definitely not equivalent images (knowingly) -- one is just a crop from the other which is what the "of course" was all about since that should have been obvious to anyone not suffering from equivalenceitis.
Ok, that settled, Falk Lumo did in fact bring up an interesting point about the sweet spot not existing, which was again confusing because of his assumption that everyone will immediately think that any comparison will of course be from theoretically equivalent systems. Of course "sweet spots" exist on particular lenses, which you've said and everyone agrees. Centers are better than corners on most lenses, therefore the sweet spot exists. But what Lumo was getting at was that he doesn't think it really exists between equivalent images from different systems, right? Totally different discussion, but probably worth having. So what he was saying (I think) is that if you take equivalent pictures (different sized sensors using different lenses to get same image), then the FF image will still end up superior (even to the corners) even though the APS-C system used the "sweet spot" of its lens and the FF system used most of its image circle, and that's because the APS-C version also has to be magnified more, etc etc to make it equivalent, eh? Is that the gist of it? So he was not denying that sweet spots exist on lenses, just there is no ultimate advantage to that if you think that you're getting better quality on APS-C because of it, and that's because again if you take the equivalent image on FF (with a different lens) those advantages are nullified and still even exceeded by the advantages of equivalent FF. Have I got that at least approximately right?
Still, how can that statement be made as a blanket statement? Since equivalent images are necessarily made with different lenses, if you use a total piece of crap lens on FF and the best thing Zeiss has to offer on the APS-C, isn't the latter going to end up superior? Or maybe I totally missed his point?
Anyway, the original discussion was very definitely not about that, but about what is now seen on FF that wasn't seen on APS-C with the same lens (simply because it was cropped out), i.e. would I rather use ONLY the sweet spot of this lens (on APS-C) or is it still good enough to use on FF once I uncover the edges of its image circle? (On at least one lens of the poster that made the above comment about his FF lenses on a Canon, he seemed to indicate a definite no to the latter -- the lens performs ok on APS-C but not on FF.)