FF Under Development

Colorado CJ · 10-08-2012, 08:38 PM

I personally was tired of waiting. Too many rumors for too long for a Pentax FF. I went ahead and bought a D600.

Will I regret it IF Pentax ever comes out with a FF camera? No, no I will not. I will have been shooting with a great FF camera for at least a year if not longer by the time the Pentax is released (if ever). It is better to shoot with a FF camera now than wait for a year (or more) for Pentax to get on the ball, especially for the low (relative) price and outstanding IQ of the D600.

vonBaloney · 10-08-2012, 08:43 PM

Originally posted by Colorado CJ

I personally was tired of waiting. Too many rumors for too long for a Pentax FF. I went ahead and bought a D600.

Will I regret it IF Pentax ever comes out with a FF camera? No, no I will not. I will have been shooting with a great FF camera for at least a year if not longer by the time the Pentax is released (if ever). It is better to shoot with a FF camera now than wait for a year (or more) for Pentax to get on the ball, especially for the low (relative) price and outstanding IQ of the D600.

Not a Canon so you can use your m42s? Tair for sale?

illdefined · 10-08-2012, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Colorado CJ

I personally was tired of waiting. Too many rumors for too long for a Pentax FF. I went ahead and bought a D600.

There are many of you and there will be many more.

Colorado CJ · 10-08-2012, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by vonBaloney

Not a Canon so you can use your m42s? Tair for sale?

Yeah, I can't use my awesome Takumars or any other M42's. I've begun to sell off some of the Taks but I am keeping a few (and the Tair) for now as I have a Nex 5n that works great with them.

I may still keep my K20D since it is an excellent camera and I would probably miss it if I sold it. Although it will more than likely be collecting dust since I now have a full frame, so not sure yet. The K-x will be on the auction block though. I need to raise some funds for some Nikon glass.

Alizarine · 10-08-2012, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by LFLee

I don't know, but isn't this a 2011 rumor? Pentax is working on a mirrorless full frame and medium format cameras? | Photo Rumors

Good find there. Could be coincidence, yes, but the same person and almost the same entitlement ("a known photographer") and other things. But like someone else posted before me, Pentax is holding tours in places, and for me that's a good move. They're also bringing in their reps from Japan too (not just the country heads holding demo's). We'll be having one of such tours in Manila on the 13th of October, and hopefully we might get to ask the same FF question too =)) or uh, whatever Pentax is planning for the near future

Hopefully they bring the ~~peep booth~~ SAFOX X testing tent too!

Winder · 10-08-2012, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

This was leading up to Sony investing significantly in Olympus, Sony now has a direct stake in its health. An exclusive fab run was surely part of the mutually-incented deal.

OM-D was in development before the Olympus scandal broke. The Olympus story broke Oct 2011. The OM-D was announced and on display at CP+ in Feb 2012.

The time line of events does not work for your theory.

**boriscleto** · 10-08-2012, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by usmcxm35

What sensor does the K-5 and D7000 use. Same Sony sensor?
Like I said A99 sensor and Pentax body not too far fetched.
Add in K-5 II -3EV SAFOX= win.

Sony can make far more APS-C sensors than they can 135FF. Even if they advance the technology to make more FF sensors, they will still be able to make more APS-C sensors than FF.

illdefined · 10-08-2012, 09:07 PM

Originally posted by Winder

OM-D was in development before the Olympus scandal broke. The Olympus story broke Oct 2011. The OM-D was announced and on display at CP+ in Feb 2012.

These kind of talks take years (and so do corporate scandals being exposed publicly). they likely started while Olympus was looking for a new sensor supplier for the OM-D and Sony saw it as a opportunity to stick it to one of their biggest consumer electronic rivals (Panasonic). Olympus still needed money and a supplier regardless of the public outing of the scandal.

Raffwal · 10-08-2012, 09:09 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by usmcxm35

Add in K-5 II -3EV SAFOX= win.

Yeah, I'd love a -3EV AF system so I could mis-focus in even less light.

cali92rs · 10-08-2012, 09:18 PM

Originally posted by Colorado CJ

I need to raise some funds for some Nikon glass.

As I am sure you are aware, there are plenty of excellent used glass for Nikons and golly gee, a lot of them can autofocus as well

The myth that always circulates around here is that you have to pay a lot to get good FF glass for Nikons...not true at all.

Winder · 10-08-2012, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by illdefined

These kind of talks take years (and so do corporate scandals being exposed publicly). they likely started while Olympus was looking for a new sensor supplier for the OM-D and Sony saw it as a opportunity to stick it to one of their biggest consumer electronic rivals (Panasonic). Olympus still needed money and a supplier regardless of the public outing of the scandal.

You need to read up on the Olympus scandal. By all accounts Fuji had first opportunity to invest in Olympus after the scandal broke. They have a long history of working together in the medical arena. Fuji and Olympus were in talks in the Spring after the show and several people thought it would be done deal. Fuji joined the Micro 4/3 consortium in 2009 and people had expected to see the Fuji EXR adopted by Olympus at that time, but it never happened.

You're conspiracy theory is completely off base. If you have some facts I would love to see them. There is no indication what so ever that Sony knew that Michael Woodford was about to break the story or that any deal was negotiated before the story broke in the U.K.

illdefined · 10-08-2012, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Winder

You're conspiracy theory is completely off base. If you have some facts I would love to see them. There is no indication what so ever that Sony knew that Michael Woodford was about to break the story or that any deal was negotiated before the story broke in the U.K.

And you insist the investment was only a result of the scandal. Do you have proof of that? The decision to go with Sony sensors preceded the scandal as you know, who's to say what talks started when? even Woodford couldn't break through Japanese corporate dealings, how can you be so sure? Olympus likely couldn't pay off its debts to Sony and they had to step in but unless you were there who really knows? my point is, they are and have been tied to each other for a while now - they have a unique relationship, more intimate than just contractor/contractee of the other camera manufacturers.

frank · 10-08-2012, 09:49 PM

Hmm, another FF thread. How many more such threads are we gonna have before Pentax really releases a FF dSLR/EVIL camera?

richard balonglong · 10-08-2012, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by Colorado CJ

I personally was tired of waiting. Too many rumors for too long for a Pentax FF. I went ahead and bought a D600.

Will I regret it IF Pentax ever comes out with a FF camera? No, no I will not. I will have been shooting with a great FF camera for at least a year if not longer by the time the Pentax is released (if ever). It is better to shoot with a FF camera now than wait for a year (or more) for Pentax to get on the ball, especially for the low (relative) price and outstanding IQ of the D600.

Yeah, me too. I'm getting tired of being patient and having my hopes up for Full Frame Pentax. I'm planning to get a D600 too. Yeah, Pentax have that good K5lls, but I needed a bigger sensor. The good thing in Nikon too is that it can accept Nikon's old lenses too just like Pentax.

LXNights · 10-08-2012, 10:32 PM

If it took five years to make the 645 DSLR, the mergers and implementing new corporate philosophies probably had a lot to do with it. But it is a medium format camera, so I'm sure that was a factor too.

Full Frame is inevitable, there is no getting around that. If Pentax/Ricoh can show more cooperation with independent glass makers like Tamron and Tokina, then the FF can really take off once it gets here.

10-08-2012, 09:07 PM	#68
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by Winder OM-D was in development before the Olympus scandal broke. The Olympus story broke Oct 2011. The OM-D was announced and on display at CP+ in Feb 2012. These kind of talks take years (and so do corporate scandals being exposed publicly). they likely started while Olympus was looking for a new sensor supplier for the OM-D and Sony saw it as a opportunity to stick it to one of their biggest consumer electronic rivals (Panasonic). Olympus still needed money and a supplier regardless of the public outing of the scandal. Last edited by illdefined; 10-08-2012 at 09:28 PM.

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10-08-2012, 08:38 PM	#61
Colorado CJ Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Colorado Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,429	I personally was tired of waiting. Too many rumors for too long for a Pentax FF. I went ahead and bought a D600. Will I regret it IF Pentax ever comes out with a FF camera? No, no I will not. I will have been shooting with a great FF camera for at least a year if not longer by the time the Pentax is released (if ever). It is better to shoot with a FF camera now than wait for a year (or more) for Pentax to get on the ball, especially for the low (relative) price and outstanding IQ of the D600.

10-08-2012, 08:43 PM	#62
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	Originally posted by Colorado CJ I personally was tired of waiting. Too many rumors for too long for a Pentax FF. I went ahead and bought a D600. Will I regret it IF Pentax ever comes out with a FF camera? No, no I will not. I will have been shooting with a great FF camera for at least a year if not longer by the time the Pentax is released (if ever). It is better to shoot with a FF camera now than wait for a year (or more) for Pentax to get on the ball, especially for the low (relative) price and outstanding IQ of the D600. Not a Canon so you can use your m42s? Tair for sale?

10-08-2012, 08:47 PM	#63
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by Colorado CJ I personally was tired of waiting. Too many rumors for too long for a Pentax FF. I went ahead and bought a D600. There are many of you and there will be many more.

10-08-2012, 08:50 PM	#64
Colorado CJ Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Colorado Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,429	Originally posted by vonBaloney Not a Canon so you can use your m42s? Tair for sale? Yeah, I can't use my awesome Takumars or any other M42's. I've begun to sell off some of the Taks but I am keeping a few (and the Tair) for now as I have a Nex 5n that works great with them. I may still keep my K20D since it is an excellent camera and I would probably miss it if I sold it. Although it will more than likely be collecting dust since I now have a full frame, so not sure yet. The K-x will be on the auction block though. I need to raise some funds for some Nikon glass.

10-08-2012, 08:50 PM	#65
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by LFLee I don't know, but isn't this a 2011 rumor? Pentax is working on a mirrorless full frame and medium format cameras? \| Photo Rumors Good find there. Could be coincidence, yes, but the same person and almost the same entitlement ("a known photographer") and other things. But like someone else posted before me, Pentax is holding tours in places, and for me that's a good move. They're also bringing in their reps from Japan too (not just the country heads holding demo's). We'll be having one of such tours in Manila on the 13th of October, and hopefully we might get to ask the same FF question too =)) or uh, whatever Pentax is planning for the near future Hopefully they bring the ~~peep booth~~ SAFOX X testing tent too!

10-08-2012, 08:56 PM	#66
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by illdefined This was leading up to Sony investing significantly in Olympus, Sony now has a direct stake in its health. An exclusive fab run was surely part of the mutually-incented deal. OM-D was in development before the Olympus scandal broke. The Olympus story broke Oct 2011. The OM-D was announced and on display at CP+ in Feb 2012. The time line of events does not work for your theory.

10-08-2012, 08:59 PM	#67
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,473	Originally posted by usmcxm35 What sensor does the K-5 and D7000 use. Same Sony sensor? Like I said A99 sensor and Pentax body not too far fetched. Add in K-5 II -3EV SAFOX= win. Sony can make far more APS-C sensors than they can 135FF. Even if they advance the technology to make more FF sensors, they will still be able to make more APS-C sensors than FF.

10-08-2012, 09:09 PM - 1 Like	#69
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	Originally posted by usmcxm35 Add in K-5 II -3EV SAFOX= win. Yeah, I'd love a -3EV AF system so I could mis-focus in even less light.

10-08-2012, 09:18 PM	#70
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by Colorado CJ I need to raise some funds for some Nikon glass. As I am sure you are aware, there are plenty of excellent used glass for Nikons and golly gee, a lot of them can autofocus as well The myth that always circulates around here is that you have to pay a lot to get good FF glass for Nikons...not true at all.

10-08-2012, 09:27 PM	#71
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by illdefined These kind of talks take years (and so do corporate scandals being exposed publicly). they likely started while Olympus was looking for a new sensor supplier for the OM-D and Sony saw it as a opportunity to stick it to one of their biggest consumer electronic rivals (Panasonic). Olympus still needed money and a supplier regardless of the public outing of the scandal. You need to read up on the Olympus scandal. By all accounts Fuji had first opportunity to invest in Olympus after the scandal broke. They have a long history of working together in the medical arena. Fuji and Olympus were in talks in the Spring after the show and several people thought it would be done deal. Fuji joined the Micro 4/3 consortium in 2009 and people had expected to see the Fuji EXR adopted by Olympus at that time, but it never happened. You're conspiracy theory is completely off base. If you have some facts I would love to see them. There is no indication what so ever that Sony knew that Michael Woodford was about to break the story or that any deal was negotiated before the story broke in the U.K.

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10-08-2012, 09:41 PM	#72
illdefined Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NYC Posts: 929	Originally posted by Winder You're conspiracy theory is completely off base. If you have some facts I would love to see them. There is no indication what so ever that Sony knew that Michael Woodford was about to break the story or that any deal was negotiated before the story broke in the U.K. And you insist the investment was only a result of the scandal. Do you have proof of that? The decision to go with Sony sensors preceded the scandal as you know, who's to say what talks started when? even Woodford couldn't break through Japanese corporate dealings, how can you be so sure? Olympus likely couldn't pay off its debts to Sony and they had to step in but unless you were there who really knows? my point is, they are and have been tied to each other for a while now - they have a unique relationship, more intimate than just contractor/contractee of the other camera manufacturers.

10-08-2012, 09:49 PM	#73
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202	Hmm, another FF thread. How many more such threads are we gonna have before Pentax really releases a FF dSLR/EVIL camera?

10-08-2012, 10:26 PM	#74
richard balonglong Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Baguio City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 350	Originally posted by Colorado CJ I personally was tired of waiting. Too many rumors for too long for a Pentax FF. I went ahead and bought a D600. Will I regret it IF Pentax ever comes out with a FF camera? No, no I will not. I will have been shooting with a great FF camera for at least a year if not longer by the time the Pentax is released (if ever). It is better to shoot with a FF camera now than wait for a year (or more) for Pentax to get on the ball, especially for the low (relative) price and outstanding IQ of the D600. Yeah, me too. I'm getting tired of being patient and having my hopes up for Full Frame Pentax. I'm planning to get a D600 too. Yeah, Pentax have that good K5lls, but I needed a bigger sensor. The good thing in Nikon too is that it can accept Nikon's old lenses too just like Pentax.

10-08-2012, 10:32 PM	#75
LXNights Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New England Photos: Gallery Posts: 150	If it took five years to make the 645 DSLR, the mergers and implementing new corporate philosophies probably had a lot to do with it. But it is a medium format camera, so I'm sure that was a factor too. Full Frame is inevitable, there is no getting around that. If Pentax/Ricoh can show more cooperation with independent glass makers like Tamron and Tokina, then the FF can really take off once it gets here.