Originally posted by Ash These folk aren't the only target market.
Disagree. Many people getting into photography develop their skills and 'grow' into their gear's capabilities. Ask an enthusiast used to the responsiveness to a modern dSLR to now do the same line of work they do with a current generation mirrorless, and you aren't likely to have a great proportion of happy campers.
Ask me, I have a K-01 and a K5. Using the K-01, which is an excellent camera, has opened my eyes to the advantages of MILCS and the sometimes inflated claims made in favour of DSLRs. I took my K-01 and a handful of primes on holiday this year over my K5 and will do so again. Lighter, easy to handle, packs away nicely, attracts little attention (and so ideal for the street), quiet in use. It handled everything I needed it for, to the same standard as my K5 (i.e. 16mp RAW). It doesn't focus as fast as my K5 or do fast RAW frame rates so I doubt it would be much use at sports events but since I do little action stuff this really isn't much of a concern. Besides, I understand that some other MILCs are fast-focusers. I suspect there might be a considerable proportion of happy campers, a surprisingly large one in fact.
Originally posted by Ash dSLR RRP may well be higher than that of mirrorless cameras of similar output specs, but the journey is just as important as the final results. And in photography, the results can also be determined by the journey. That is to say, ergonomics, responsiveness, and real time viewfinding are all important. Mirrorless cameras are bridging the gap quite well between the compact camera and the dSLR, however dSLR technology is accelerating just as that of MILC. There isn't a ceiling to dSLR capability, and as such it will still be a sought after format alongside MILC, just as we have seen with other brands, but professional dSLR and MILC address the needs of quite different photographers.
There isn't a ceiling to MILC development either, although a lot of folks don't want a journey they just want a camera. My whole point is that "professional dSLR and MILC address the needs of quite different photographers" but that since MILC is where the volume is, camera companies cannot afford to ignore it. And if they don't ignore it because it proves popular then they will develop it. And if they develop it then tech which first appeared on MILCs will migrate up the chain and may eventually change or challenge some things which are currently done with DSLRs. Apart from the 645D, Pentax don't make equipment for professional photographers (at least, not in the way Canonikon do) but the kind of cameras they do make, excellent ones for enthusiasts, are where the high-end of the MILC sector comes in.
Originally posted by Ash Fast, responsive gear is not cheap to produce. Having choice is always a good thing, but we already have that - even with current generation dSLRs. You want 7fps and 1080p video? You can get it even with a brilliant 16Mp sensor for stills for under $800 nowadays. This may still be too expensive for some, but we shouldn't feel entitled to getting professional grade equipment
not essential for human survival for less than half of what an
average full-time worker earns in a week.
Entitlement doesn't come into it. No one is entitled to anything beyond the birthday suit they were born in. However, if it can be done and done to the right price, then it will be done - see smartphones or the PC industry. I think it's a fairly safe bet that if there were only compacts and DSLRs but nothing in between, then the big DSLR-makers would be having it on with higher prices and lesser specs. DSLR traditionalists who see MILCS as brash newcomers may not realize that if it wasn't for this new sector, chances are they'd be paying even more for their equipment.
What bugs me is that in 2-3 years when my K-01 has had its day, I will be obliged to replace it with another brand of camera because Pentax don't seem interested in MILCs. That'll be maybe one-third of my budget lost to Pentax and gained by someone else. Looking around this forum, quite a few folks seem to be running MILCs from other brands alongside their Pentax kit. A small sum in each case but pretty soon that potentially lost revenue adds up to big sums, and perhaps to a slower rate of upgrading the main DSLR or buying new DSLR lenses too. The writing's already on the wall, I think.
But for the rest, let's just agree to disagree. I would be very dull if everyone saw things in exactly the same way.
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