Originally posted by northcoastgreg Then we see all those Olympus Pens selling for ridiculously low prices on the web. The E-PL1 showed up last summer at $140 on amazon.
These are old stock. I don't expect the companies make any money from them now, but they do get new users to try their system, so it's not a total loss.
MILCs were introduced at unreasonably high prices that only early adopters were willing to play. That's why I didn't pay attention to them either - why pay $800 on an E-P1 when I could add a few hundred dollars and get a K-7? But in the last year or two they have been putting out models at very good prices. At release time, E-PM1 was $500; the new E-PM2 is $600 (basic body + lens kit prices).
Originally posted by northcoastgreg All the evidence at our disposal strongly suggests that Thom Hogan
is right: "the average selling price and gross profit margin on the DSLRs are the highest of all cameras, overall."
Unfortunately, the only evidence that Thom uses in that article is that DSLR and MILC sales were flat recently. There is no evidence of profitability of one or the other. I suppose that ILC systems are profitable mainly because of the lens sales. I don't think that the body sales are the money makers, but I may be wrong. Any evidence that I am wrong here is welcome
Originally posted by northcoastgreg I suspect the only MILCs that are less expensive to produce than DSLRs are those without viewfinders. Once the VF is added, the cost advantage disappears, and often swings in favor of the DSLR.
It only swings in favor of the DSLR if the DSLR offers the inferior pentamirror implementation.
Also, for MILCs, the cost of an add-on EVF is only incurred once and can be amortized over multiple camera models. That is not the case for DSLRs where you have to pay the cost of a viewfinder in each body.
But In the end, this aspect is academic as most customers do not seem to particularly care about a VF of any kind. That is what led to the disappearance of VFs in P&S cameras. The decision to ship entry level MILCs without an EVF is based on that. And it works fine as far as I can tell.
Originally posted by northcoastgreg One thing that is rarely noted is that most of the entry and even mid-level MILC offerings don't even come with a VF. (VFs can often be added as an accessory, but that raises the overall cost of the camera by at least $130, usually more). Such products cannot be compared with DSLRs and can hardly even be considered serious cameras.
That is one opinion. I have used an E-PL2 with no EVF for almost a year and it has been the most rewarding experience I had since getting serious about digital photography. I compared the experience with that of using a DSLR, I found it superior, and I will never buy a DSLR again (and no, I am not the only one feeling that way - I know several people that went through the same steps - try it, you might be next). Now I use an E-M5, not because of the EVF, but because of all the other features and improvements that it provides. The touchscreen LCD, in particular, is very well suited for quickly picking focusing areas regardless of whether you use AF or MF - a DSLR is not able to provide an experience like that - it isn't able to provide full frame coverage to begin with.
Originally posted by Kunzite I strongly disagree with the following:
- 2012 products being "of dubious value".
You are disagreeing with a statement that you made up. This is a typical strawman fallacy based on a quote applied to a different context. The "of dubious value" was applying to the 560/5.6 lens - a single product. The response to this lens on PF has been lukewarm - I think "dubious value" is an accurate assessment based on that.