Originally posted by pentee Did you forget about Sony? Obviously, not everyone has $2,000.00 for a full frame camera, but there should be one in the stable. Not having one is a loosing strategy. Try one of the other manufacturer's FF. I guarantee you'll want one.
It's a whole other world!
What about them? They had a digital FF from 2008. By the way, their first two FF models weren't really winners.
I agree that Pentax should make a K-mount FF DSLR, if/when possible; but not necessarily a $2000 one (maybe they should target higher-end than D600).
Do you honestly believe I haven't tried FF cameras? It's irrelevant, anyway, as I was only countering your false claim, that FF is mainstream.
Originally posted by Uluru FF is not about being competitive alone — it is an excuse that I'm personally being bored to death hearing over and over again.
FF development is all about keeping your own user base more homogenous and more inspired. It's something like a Trojan war, with Greeks having Achilles among them. Smart man Odysseus pursued and insisted to have him fighting, because he knew that Achilles alone will wage the war for them — not because all Greeks (APS-C cameras) are lame fighters, but because they needed a morale boost from someone they considered half-god and a role-model, someone of their own blood. Someone they believed more than their own king (K-mount).
645D is strong, but big, clumsy, slow, like giant Ajax, too expensive to feed, can wield only one weapon, his mace (or 55mm lens on 645D was the only one available for years) and it didn't achieve that level of inspiration in such an extent an FF camera (far more versatile Achilles) would do.
This comparison between Trojan war and Pentax situation is almost scarily analogous.
What's your point, that Pentax could afford to not be competitive? Please rethink.
An appeal to emotion can't persuade me, for two reasons:
1. It's a logical fallacy, thus rejected
2. I'm not arguing against a Pentax FF
It's amazing how people even today are arguing against a success story (i.e. the 645D). Could it be another emotional factor, like "Pentax dared not to make precisely what I wanted"? FFS, Pentax have a competitive advantage in the DMF market; they are able to push it forward by themselves (making it relatively more affordable, the recent inclusion of stabilization - and they won't stop here). In the mean time, e.g. Hasselblad is busy launching disguised NEX-7s.
DMF is a dream market for Pentax (as well as a traditional one).
Originally posted by Sol Invictus Some of the people dismissing FF and its market share
That FF still is single digit is, AFAIK, a fact. I'm guilty of dismissing imagination and replace it with facts, all right.
By the way, FF didn't get cheaper from 2009 (A850, $2000 MSRP). Oops, I did it again