Originally posted by Clavius The users that really actually put their money where their mouth is are currently already carrying 5DMKx's, D/6/7/800's, or even older models that are currently pretty cheap on fleabay.
It is wrong to conclude from someone not having jumped ship yet, that they are not "
putting their money where their mouth is".
I, for example, wouldn't want to buy into Canon because they are falling behind with respect to sensors. Nikon looks like a viable path, but I prefer Pentax ergonomics. I also have a stack of FF-capable K-mount lenses that would cost a fortune to replace with Nikkor lenses.
I want a Pentax FF to make the best use of my lenses, get better IQ, and for Pentax to be able to survive. None of these reasons are fit for buying a Canikon right now.
Originally posted by Clavius A Pentax FF DSLR is not going to attract any users from the other brands.
Whether or not Pentax can have success with a new model -- and success is all they need, not a record in attracting users from other brands -- depends on how much value it offers for the money. You have the same problem with an APS-C camera. You could argue that a K10D or K-5 (II) were/are not fit for attracting new customers. Both models have attracted users from other brands, though.
Originally posted by Clavius OMG, I just realised that this Pentax FF DSLR could be their Contax N Digital!
What seems more likely is that their hesitation in doing the inevitable is going to become a reprise of their failure to adapt to changing market conditions when they missed the digital boat and went from a reputed force to an "also run" player.
Originally posted by Clavius That's the major disadvantage (danger) of marketing a me-too camera like an FF DSLR. If they want to avoid that, they should market something unorthodox.
I think we should stop burdening a Pentax FF camera to become the saviour of the Pentax brand by asking it to make Pentax more successful than Canon overnight.
It primarily should just stop Pentaxians with money to spend on equipment to leave the brand. Of course it should be aimed at doing more than that, but not to the point where they don't do it at all because they cannot offer the Canikon killer for $2000.
If I had anything to say at Pentax, I'd make the next APS-C flagship have a body and electronics that would allow to offer a twin model that only differs in being FF. This should create savings for design and tooling, part ordering, etc. Switching to a bigger sensor and SR mechanims, plus a bigger prism, should then not cost the world, but allow Pentax to finally address a glaring hole in their product range.
Yes, that would mean the next APS-C flagship could not be as small as it could be if it were custom designed for APS-C only, but it should just convince on specs and finally give Pentax the platform to launch the FF they sorely need.
Originally posted by falconeye So, IMHO the single best bet by Pentax is to release a K-mount mirrorless FF camera...
I wish Pentax could offer that and a classic FF DSLR with an OVF. And then see which has more success.
I personally don't like the Pentax that dabbles with K-01 style markets. I don't like EVFs and I don't like the ergonomics of existing mirrorless cameras. If they could offer a mirorrless camera that handles like a convential DSLR (i.e., proper grip, big LCD displays, tons of controls) and a hybrid viewfinder (optical, or electronic, or both) than I'd be very interested.
Originally posted by mecrox No wonder those Pentax staffers look unwell whenever the subject arises.
I think Pentax staffers look unwell whenever the subject arises because they know that the FF elephant has been standing in their company quarters for way too long already and that the fact that they are still not there is a painful reminder of how small Pentax now is compared to the might it once has been.
Originally posted by Kunzite Your bigger question implies there are two mutually exclusive directions, which IMHO is untrue.
It is both possible and desirable to satisfy the Pentax user base (as in: keeping us happy and spending) and growing it.
+1
Just to avoid any misunderstanding: I am a big Pentax fan and have faith in Pentax engineering. I hope that Ricoh's money spending decision makers will not just look at where the next big market opportunity or untoched market niche is, but will also cater to conventional photographers like many current Pentaxians appear to be. One of Pentax's current problems is that there are no Pentax Pros to speak of anymore and hence are not available as opinion formers at the base level. If Pentax loses all current Pentaxians by exclusively trying to jump on the next big wave then I don't see a rosy for the future of the K-mount at all.