No FF, but...

pentee · 04-03-2013, 10:57 AM

Well, we didn't get the Full Frame that so many Pentax pros have been begging for but. . . We did get a sweet "Crystal" bordeaux k-30! That's almost the same thing, right?
I think I'm finally over you Pentax. It was fun while it lasted.

**Kerrowdown** · 04-03-2013, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by pentee

That's almost the same thing, right

You could try that approach with the other guys, good luck with that.

Nesster · 04-03-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by pentee

We did get a sweet "Crystal" bordeaux k-30!

Is that wine-resistant then?

Dean Bradshaw · 04-03-2013, 04:00 PM - **2 Likes**

To be fair Pentax never said they were realising a new camera in March...now the ever reliable interwebs guaranteed new cameras (5 was it?)...bit hard to blame Pentax for not delivering on the rumours?
Cheers
Dean

Kunzite · 04-03-2013, 11:31 PM

It happens all the time

Clavius · 04-04-2013, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by Dean Bradshaw

To be fair Pentax never said they were realising a new camera in March...now the ever reliable interwebs guaranteed new cameras (5 was it?)...bit hard to blame Pentax for not delivering on the rumours?
Cheers
Dean

It's the fact that people keep having to make up stories about Pentax being serious, just to keep appearances. Whilst Pentax themselves just keep delivering toys or different colours. The userbase won't keep fooling themselves this way forever.

Kunzite · 04-04-2013, 01:16 AM - **1 Like**

If you consider a camera sporting a 16MP APS-C sensor, weather-sealed body made from polycarbonate over a stainless steel chassis, 100% pentaprism viewfinder, in-body stabilization, dual wheel control etc. etc. etc a "toy", just because it's offered in various colors beside the "classic" black...

Clavius · 04-04-2013, 01:45 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

If you consider a camera sporting a 16MP APS-C sensor, weather-sealed body made from polycarbonate over a stainless steel chassis, 100% pentaprism viewfinder, in-body stabilization, dual wheel control etc. etc. etc a "toy", just because it's offered in various colors beside the "classic" black...

Yes, you're right, lets use the same 2010 camera and sensor forever, only varying the features and colours in tiny amounts.

bossa · 04-04-2013, 02:08 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Yes, you're right, lets use the same 2010 camera and sensor forever, only varying the features and colours in tiny amounts.

In the days of film it was the feature-set of the camera (and the camera system) that differentiated product lines, not the film. The same film was available to all manufacturers and so they had to differentiate themselves in what they did with the hardware. I realize that things have changed but, taking that scenario into account, you have to draw a line in the sand at some point in order to get the entire package right and maybe improve things in other areas. What if Pentax come out with yet another 16MP camera BUT it has incredible noise spec's that leave everything else for dead.. what would your reaction be? I know I'd love to have a camera where noise was not an issue and would prefer it to more and more MP's (I know I have a couple of D800's.. that's not really the point).

**fs999** · 04-04-2013, 02:31 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Nesster

Is that wine-resistant then?

I think it should be whine-resistent

Kunzite · 04-04-2013, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Yes, you're right, lets use the same 2010 camera and sensor forever, only varying the features and colours in tiny amounts.

The K-30 was announced in 2012, it's less than one year old.
But I suppose it's just a K-5, despite its lower price point, a new processor, new body, tweaked AF system and who knows what else was changed. Pentax should really look at Canon and how they manage to make each model truly different than the previous one

Clavius · 04-04-2013, 02:43 AM

Originally posted by bossa

In the days of film it was the feature-set of the camera (and the camera system) that differentiated product lines, not the film. The same film was available to all manufacturers and so they had to differentiate themselves in what they did with the hardware. I realize that things have changed but, taking that scenario into account, you have to draw a line in the sand at some point in order to get the entire package right and maybe improve things in other areas. What if Pentax come out with yet another 16MP camera BUT it has incredible noise spec's that leave everything else for dead.. what would your reaction be? I know I'd love to have a camera where noise was not an issue and would prefer it to more and more MP's (I know I have a couple of D800's.. that's not really the point).

Good point, and 16mp DOES serve me well. However this was more about the format off course.

But yes, I would love a flagship 16mp Pentax with tethering. Or with up-to-date flash support and flashes. Or even just focus peaking. (Which Pentax chose to put in their lower end body, but not in their flagship?!?) But such improvements in features are of a very different league then 9 different new colours and a pinhole lens cap for the Q.

p.s. 1: I think the noise is handled by the Pentax iterations of the Sony 16mp is very good though. Although I would enjoy a focus on better low iso performance though. Like ISO25.

p.s. 2: In the film days, using media from 3rd party was indeed standard. In the same way using lenses from 3rd party manufacturers was very commong. Nowadays though, suggesting that Pentax needs more 3rd party lens support will start a PF riot! Indeed, things have changed a lot.

philbaum · 04-05-2013, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

.....

But yes, I would love a flagship 16mp Pentax with tethering. Or with up-to-date flash support and flashes. Or even just focus peaking. (Which Pentax chose to put in their lower end body, but not in their flagship?!?) But such improvements in features are of a very different league then 9 different new colours and a pinhole lens cap for the Q.

p.s. 1: I think the noise is handled by the Pentax iterations of the Sony 16mp is very good though. Although I would enjoy a focus on better low iso performance though. Like ISO25.
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I agree. It seems that there is greater awareness that more MP is not such a big deal anymore - and it can be detrimental. As just one example, Nikon limited their D4 to 16mp

So Pentax: Stop with the colors already and redesign the flash hardware. I'd be happy if they just ditched PTTL entirely and went back to putting thrysiter(sp) sensors in the flashes. Improve the distance that remote flashes can work at, etc. It seems like there was a time when exposure level with film was all important. With digital, exposure level is not nearly as important due to the post processing that can be done. The one thing that PTTL was good at was getting people to shut their eyes. It isn't just Pentax, I see a lot of complaints about flashes on Sony forums as well. Sony has actually redesigned their odd little flash foot back to the standard flash receiver (with a small difference). Sony still doesn't have a flash out that can take advantage of their new flash foot, but if Sony can rethink flashes and get started over, than so can Pentax.

But its the "little" things that photographers consider important to everyday shooting that would appeal to me. Tethering - sure why not. Remote control using a smart phone - sure, why not. Focus peaking, sure, why not. 2 SD card slots - of course. Why don't manufacturers get this?

Kunzite · 04-05-2013, 02:45 PM

Colors are a good idea IMO (for K-30 and below), and most likely not done by the same people who would redesign the flash protocols.

bossa · 04-06-2013, 03:36 PM

I really like the yellow and wine red colours for the K-30 and I don't see why people are dissing Pentax for this offering. It's a pity they don't offer this for the K-5 series.

Regarding Hi ISO noise: Scaling the picture down somewhat (e.g. 2.5x) causes noise to be greatly reduced and I find that the D800E is particularly useful for this as you still get a decent resolution file. More MP creates options for scaling and cropping so it's not always just about using them all 1:1.

04-03-2013, 10:57 AM	#1
pentee Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 54	No FF, but... Well, we didn't get the Full Frame that so many Pentax pros have been begging for but. . . We did get a sweet "Crystal" bordeaux k-30! That's almost the same thing, right? I think I'm finally over you Pentax. It was fun while it lasted.

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04-03-2013, 11:07 AM	#2
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,835	Originally posted by pentee That's almost the same thing, right You could try that approach with the other guys, good luck with that.

04-03-2013, 01:34 PM	#3
Nesster Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NJ USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 13,072	Originally posted by pentee We did get a sweet "Crystal" bordeaux k-30! Is that wine-resistant then?

04-03-2013, 04:00 PM - 2 Likes	#4
Dean Bradshaw Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 322	To be fair Pentax never said they were realising a new camera in March...now the ever reliable interwebs guaranteed new cameras (5 was it?)...bit hard to blame Pentax for not delivering on the rumours? Cheers Dean

04-03-2013, 11:31 PM	#5
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	It happens all the time

04-04-2013, 12:07 AM	#6
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Dean Bradshaw To be fair Pentax never said they were realising a new camera in March...now the ever reliable interwebs guaranteed new cameras (5 was it?)...bit hard to blame Pentax for not delivering on the rumours? Cheers Dean It's the fact that people keep having to make up stories about Pentax being serious, just to keep appearances. Whilst Pentax themselves just keep delivering toys or different colours. The userbase won't keep fooling themselves this way forever.

04-04-2013, 01:16 AM - 1 Like	#7
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	If you consider a camera sporting a 16MP APS-C sensor, weather-sealed body made from polycarbonate over a stainless steel chassis, 100% pentaprism viewfinder, in-body stabilization, dual wheel control etc. etc. etc a "toy", just because it's offered in various colors beside the "classic" black...

04-04-2013, 01:45 AM	#8
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Kunzite If you consider a camera sporting a 16MP APS-C sensor, weather-sealed body made from polycarbonate over a stainless steel chassis, 100% pentaprism viewfinder, in-body stabilization, dual wheel control etc. etc. etc a "toy", just because it's offered in various colors beside the "classic" black... Yes, you're right, lets use the same 2010 camera and sensor forever, only varying the features and colours in tiny amounts.

04-04-2013, 02:08 AM	#9
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by Clavius Yes, you're right, lets use the same 2010 camera and sensor forever, only varying the features and colours in tiny amounts. In the days of film it was the feature-set of the camera (and the camera system) that differentiated product lines, not the film. The same film was available to all manufacturers and so they had to differentiate themselves in what they did with the hardware. I realize that things have changed but, taking that scenario into account, you have to draw a line in the sand at some point in order to get the entire package right and maybe improve things in other areas. What if Pentax come out with yet another 16MP camera BUT it has incredible noise spec's that leave everything else for dead.. what would your reaction be? I know I'd love to have a camera where noise was not an issue and would prefer it to more and more MP's (I know I have a couple of D800's.. that's not really the point).

04-04-2013, 02:31 AM - 1 Like	#10
fs999 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Luxembourg Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,645	Originally posted by Nesster Is that wine-resistant then? I think it should be whine-resistent

04-04-2013, 02:35 AM	#11
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by Clavius Yes, you're right, lets use the same 2010 camera and sensor forever, only varying the features and colours in tiny amounts. The K-30 was announced in 2012, it's less than one year old. But I suppose it's just a K-5, despite its lower price point, a new processor, new body, tweaked AF system and who knows what else was changed. Pentax should really look at Canon and how they manage to make each model truly different than the previous one

04-04-2013, 02:43 AM	#12
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by bossa In the days of film it was the feature-set of the camera (and the camera system) that differentiated product lines, not the film. The same film was available to all manufacturers and so they had to differentiate themselves in what they did with the hardware. I realize that things have changed but, taking that scenario into account, you have to draw a line in the sand at some point in order to get the entire package right and maybe improve things in other areas. What if Pentax come out with yet another 16MP camera BUT it has incredible noise spec's that leave everything else for dead.. what would your reaction be? I know I'd love to have a camera where noise was not an issue and would prefer it to more and more MP's (I know I have a couple of D800's.. that's not really the point). Good point, and 16mp DOES serve me well. However this was more about the format off course. But yes, I would love a flagship 16mp Pentax with tethering. Or with up-to-date flash support and flashes. Or even just focus peaking. (Which Pentax chose to put in their lower end body, but not in their flagship?!?) But such improvements in features are of a very different league then 9 different new colours and a pinhole lens cap for the Q. p.s. 1: I think the noise is handled by the Pentax iterations of the Sony 16mp is very good though. Although I would enjoy a focus on better low iso performance though. Like ISO25. p.s. 2: In the film days, using media from 3rd party was indeed standard. In the same way using lenses from 3rd party manufacturers was very commong. Nowadays though, suggesting that Pentax needs more 3rd party lens support will start a PF riot! Indeed, things have changed a lot.

04-05-2013, 02:03 PM	#13
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by Clavius ..... But yes, I would love a flagship 16mp Pentax with tethering. Or with up-to-date flash support and flashes. Or even just focus peaking. (Which Pentax chose to put in their lower end body, but not in their flagship?!?) But such improvements in features are of a very different league then 9 different new colours and a pinhole lens cap for the Q. p.s. 1: I think the noise is handled by the Pentax iterations of the Sony 16mp is very good though. Although I would enjoy a focus on better low iso performance though. Like ISO25. . I agree. It seems that there is greater awareness that more MP is not such a big deal anymore - and it can be detrimental. As just one example, Nikon limited their D4 to 16mp So Pentax: Stop with the colors already and redesign the flash hardware. I'd be happy if they just ditched PTTL entirely and went back to putting thrysiter(sp) sensors in the flashes. Improve the distance that remote flashes can work at, etc. It seems like there was a time when exposure level with film was all important. With digital, exposure level is not nearly as important due to the post processing that can be done. The one thing that PTTL was good at was getting people to shut their eyes. It isn't just Pentax, I see a lot of complaints about flashes on Sony forums as well. Sony has actually redesigned their odd little flash foot back to the standard flash receiver (with a small difference). Sony still doesn't have a flash out that can take advantage of their new flash foot, but if Sony can rethink flashes and get started over, than so can Pentax. But its the "little" things that photographers consider important to everyday shooting that would appeal to me. Tethering - sure why not. Remote control using a smart phone - sure, why not. Focus peaking, sure, why not. 2 SD card slots - of course. Why don't manufacturers get this?

04-05-2013, 02:45 PM	#14
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Colors are a good idea IMO (for K-30 and below), and most likely not done by the same people who would redesign the flash protocols.

04-06-2013, 03:36 PM	#15
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	I really like the yellow and wine red colours for the K-30 and I don't see why people are dissing Pentax for this offering. It's a pity they don't offer this for the K-5 series. Regarding Hi ISO noise: Scaling the picture down somewhat (e.g. 2.5x) causes noise to be greatly reduced and I find that the D800E is particularly useful for this as you still get a decent resolution file. More MP creates options for scaling and cropping so it's not always just about using them all 1:1.