Originally posted by jsherman999 It's not really magic - aps-c requires 'better' glass because of the magnification factor, just like m43 requires 'better' glass than aps-c, to get the same results. This can effectively be seen as the format leveling things off a bit.
I wouldn't go so far as to expect the FA-J 100-300 on FF to match the FA 200 macro on aps-c (pixel pitch similar,) but, for example, almost all Nikon shooters who have tried both would probably prefer the $300 Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 on FF vs the $1400 17-55 f2.8 on aps-c.
And I really, really think something like the simple, $150 F 50 1.7 would really shine on FF in several ways. I think the FA 20 2.8 would get new life, and the DA 200 2.8 would show a little vignetting at distance, but would be stellar. Then there's the FA Limiteds...
Put it this way: knowing what I know now, I'd rather shoot cheap-but-good glass on FF vs. expensive-and-great glass on aps-c. (I don't want to shoot 'bad' glass on either, though!
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I think we actually agree, Jay. I don't dispute the fact that APS-C demands more centre IQ from lenses to result in good quality images but pixel density being equal and the resolution being proportionally equal between the formats, the result from the same lens would be the same, albeit with more captured in the frame from the FF camera.
This then opens the lens up to more IQ scrutiny in the edges and corners from the FF camera since most (if not all) lenses have considerable sharpness falloff the further away from the centre you go. This is most noticeable with consumer level glass. This is why I'm suggesting that unless high end glass is being used, the IQ advantages of a FF format are quite limited (AFAIK). Please note that I am only talking about equivalent sensor technology between the formats, not comparing between cameras like the 5DMkIII and the 60D or 7D.
The Tamron 28-75 is not a consumer-grade lens in my mind. It is a professional grade lens with a consumer grade price tag. The results from that lens match or even eclipse that of much more expensive glass in its focal range. I think with its IQ, there would be room to move for a FF camera to bring out the best in that lens, where it would act more like a true wide -normal zoom as opposed to a normal-mid telephoto zoom on APS-C.
By what you're saying though, Jay, you've experienced an improvement in your results by going FF but are they a result of the same lenses being used on the bigger format? And would others here want to have a FF K-mount camera and be happier with lenses like the FA 28-80 on it as opposed to staying APS-C and having the DA* 16-50 (in terms of IQ, ignoring any SDM issues)?
Of course, I suppose that if the FF comes out, it will not be left without at least one quality wide-normal zoom and one good telezoom to go with it, so I see my own point here as moot. But there is a financial investment in all this when the gear comes out, and matched IQ for IQ, the lenses have to perform especially in the edges for the virtues of FF to shine.
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