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04-17-2013, 01:13 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by boriscleto Quote
The FA 35 on Amazon seems to be old stock.
Possibly, but a lot of lenses are in stock even though they aren't being cobbled together in factories at this time. To me, its the availability of those lenses that matters and these seem to be pretty available from many stores. In fact, the other examples you give prove this - some lenses are in production, but that means nothing because they are still unavailable to us. So those FF lenses that I listed, for all intents and purposes, are available. Sure, if FF comes out, then maybe they will go out of stock, but even that would take some time, enough time for Pentax to start a new series of production.

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They are missing in brochures, but so are the FA limiteds.
Not in Japan, even the FA35 is still listed here:
????????????????????PENTAX RICOH IMAGING
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Pentax won't release a FF product without at least announcing a range of Pentax FF compatible lenses. When the *ist D came out, there were only a handful of DA lenses released. This isn't as big a problem as a FF camera with only a DFA 50 and DFA 100 technically being the only FF lenses available from Pentax designed for the dSLR.
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
Not in Japan, even the FA35 is still listed here:
????????????????????PENTAX RICOH IMAGING
So are the FA 20-35, the FA J 28-80, & the FA J 75-300...

Lenses that aren't listed: DA 14/2.8, DA 16-45/4 (though it is mentioned in the intro), DA 40/2.8 XS, DA 50/1.8, DA 35/2.4, DA L 18-55, DA L 50-200, DA L 55-300, DA 18-270, DA 560...they are on the Lens Roadmap however (except the 16-45). That's for the English page. The Japanese page probably gets updated regularly...

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QuoteOriginally posted by boriscleto Quote
So are the FA 20-35, the FA J 28-80, & the FA J 75-300...
Yes, and these lenses are not discontinued in Japan

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Lenses that aren't listed: DA 14/2.8, DA 16-45/4 (though it is mentioned in the intro), DA 40/2.8 XS, DA 50/1.8, DA 35/2.4, DA L 18-55, DA L 50-200, DA L 55-300, DA 18-270, DA 560...they are on the Lens Roadmap however (except the 16-45). That's for the English page. The Japanese page probably gets updated regularly...

See: ?????????????????????PENTAX RICOH IMAGING, they're all there, except the L versions (or maybe I just don't find them, I don't read Japanese and have to rely on automatic translation).

- and of course except the DA16-45 which has been discontinued for a long time in Japan.
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Pentax won't release a FF product without at least announcing a range of Pentax FF compatible lenses.
I know this is conventional wisdom. I am just wondering if Pentax has the guts (weirdness, quirkiness, whatever) to release a FF camera with no native lens support. I see many posts moaning that there are no FF k-mount lenses. But there are, just not Pentax. Sigma has a huge range of FF k-mount including 12-24, 24-70, 70-200 zooms. A range of long zooms up to 500mm. And a raft of primes (20, 24, 28, 35, 50, 85, 300, 500).
Seriously what else would anyone need? All I'm trying to say is that FF lens availability is not an obstacle to FF camera.
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IN a way this is really crazy.... no one knew about the 40 XS before the K-01 was released. If Pentax releases an FF, there will be at least one new kit lens on it.

Next, I already own an FA 50 1.8, a Sigma 70 macro 2.8 and a Tamron 90 macro, all FF capable. So I might have to turn off SR. I do on a large number of my pictures anyway. If an FF comes out, the 31 ltd would probably be the only lens I'd buy if I bought one. There's no advantage to using FF for telephoto shots, where most of the time you're cropping APS-c images, with FF you'd just be croppping more.

I don't even plan to buy one, but if some day I do, I'm not going to be worrying much about lenses. My FF will be fast glass and wide angle only. APS-c performs just fine for the rest.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Seriously what else would anyone need? All I'm trying to say is that FF lens availability is not an obstacle to FF camera.
I agree it's not a physical obstacle, but I do think it's a business success stumbling point. If there are no DFA lenses to at least provide what Sigma can provide in FF, then photographers will naturally buy these lenses by way of default, plus there are Tamron options in the 28-75 and 70-200, and this is all profit Pentax may be forfeiting for lack of provision of such lenses. I think Pentax can match those Sigma and Tamron options, and 1-up them with WR. That would make more sense economically IMO.

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That would make more sense economically IMO.
I agree 100%.

But, (speaking hypothetically) an agreement with Sigma to provide technology in return for Sigma being the sole provider of FF lenses for the Pentax LX-d would allow Pentax to release a camera and still concentrate their resources on APS-C lenses which still seems to be their focus. This is a new world, things don't have to be the way they used to be.

I really don't think Pentax is that quirky though, I'm just speculating.
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Yeah, it's an idea. But I think many of us still have an affinity to Pentax glass. There's something about their combination of durability, build, IQ and size that make them stand out and be appealing. Plus there's the benefits of CA and distortion correction in camera.
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an affinity to Pentax glass.
Yeah, I know all about that. PGBA is a special variation of LBA.............
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If Pentax made an equivalent to the Tamron 28-75 and 70-200, even if not WR, I'd be all over them. I prefer those focal lengths for events like weddings and complement them with the DA 12-24 when I need the group shots or venue/architecture focal lengths.
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This discussion is indeed purely hypothetical, as Pentax already have several FF-compatible lenses. Hypothetically speaking, if e.g. aliens were to make said lenses disappear, Pentax would have to re-make their lens range by themselves. What good a "system" for which you can buy only some of the Sigma lenses?

With a capacity of at least 4 K-mount lenses per year, I don't see why we should even consider such unlikely scenarios. Pentax has a pretty nice APS-C lens system, they can put it in "maintenance mode" with 1-2 new lenses per year; while developing FF, with 2-3 new lenses per year (those being perfectly usable on APS-C). I would support such efforts.
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Pentax already have several FF-compatible lenses
Also remember there's already all that legacy glass out there, albeit manual focus in some cases.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Would a camera company take a chance and release a new FF camera without any native FF lens support?
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/183420-current...me-lenses.html

There's somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 full-frame lenses available off the shelf right now.

No system has ever been introduced with so much native support.
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