Pentax mirrorless FF?

Bestzoom · 04-29-2013, 04:51 AM

Another rumour?

The (impossible?) Pentax FF mirrorless camera rumor! | Mirrorless Rumors

Personally i don't think it will happen....but will be really excited if there is one!

Clavius · 04-29-2013, 04:54 AM

Originally posted by Bestzoom

Another rumour?

The (impossible?) Pentax FF mirrorless camera rumor! | Mirrorless Rumors

That would be genius!!!

Originally posted by Bestzoom

Personally i don't think it will happen....but will be really excited if there is one!

The lower you set the bar, the least likely you are to be disappointed. Sad that we have to apply that rule to Pentax.

Bestzoom · 04-29-2013, 04:57 AM

I love to see one...

Will be the first mirror less FF with interchangable lenses!!

top-quark · 04-29-2013, 06:03 AM

I doubt it's true, but it would be the best move that the company has made in more than twenty years. Just so long as the K-01 design remains a "special model" consigned to history. You'd still get a lot of whingeing though:

No optical viewfinder
Crippled mount
24Mpx rather than 36Mpx (or 36Mpx rather than 24Mpx)
Not suitable for shooting Formula 1 / high school football / birds in flight / whatever other imagined deficiency the particular whinger sees
Etc.

rawr · 04-29-2013, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by Bestzoom

Will be the first mirror less FF with interchangable lenses!!

Umm, Leica M9?

But mirrorless may mean Sony Alpha 99 style 'mirrorless', but an otherwise conventional DSLR design.

Clavius · 04-29-2013, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Umm, Leica M9?

Yes, the M9 sure is in the same league as Pentax...?!?

robgo2 · 04-29-2013, 08:08 AM

Originally posted by top-quark

I doubt it's true, but it would be the best move that the company has made in more than twenty years. Just so long as the K-01 design remains a "special model" consigned to history. You'd still get a lot of whingeing though:

No optical viewfinder
Crippled mount
24Mpx rather than 36Mpx (or 36Mpx rather than 24Mpx)
Not suitable for shooting Formula 1 / high school football / birds in flight / whatever other imagined deficiency the particular whinger sees
Etc.

I own a Sony RX1 with a 24MP FF sensor, and I can assure you that 24MP is quite a lot and represents a significant IQ bump from the K-5's 16MP sensor. Not many people need 36MP of resolution, and it does come at a price. But you are right. There will be cries for 36MP.

Rob

top-quark · 04-29-2013, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Umm, Leica M9?

But mirrorless may mean Sony Alpha 99 style 'mirrorless', but an otherwise conventional DSLR design.

M9 most certainly does have a mirror. How do you think you see the focusing patch in the viewfinder? It's not a reflex mirror (which I think just means "leaning backwards" not "moving out of the way" as in "twin lens reflex" where the mirror is fixed) but the Leica M is still a very different beast from what the rest of the world thinks of as "mirrorless".

SLTs use a reflex mirror as well. I wish Sony would use the term pellicle rather than "SLT". "Single lens translucent". What? The lens is translucent? Lets light through? Unlike any other lens? You may compose your shot using data read from the sensor with the A99, but it's not only inaccurate to call the A99 mirrorless, it also goes against the common understanding of the term when applied to digital cameras.

top-quark · 04-29-2013, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by robgo2

I own a Sony RX1 with a 24MP FF sensor.

Rob

Lucky sod

Na Horuk · 04-29-2013, 08:33 AM

Well.. wow. A hybrid mount that takes current K mount and also newer shorter flange lenses (new XS??).. sounds super interesting. And full frame. Can't wait to hear all the full-frame people start whining that they want it in a DSLR and not in a mirrorless.

**TomB_tx** · 04-29-2013, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by top-quark

SLTs use a reflex mirror as well. I wish Sony would use the term pellicle rather than "SLT".

That term might recall the Canon Pellix - which used a pellicle mirror in about 1966. Might not be the image of new technology that Sony likes to push. So they insist it isn't "pellicle."

RonHendriks1966 · 04-29-2013, 09:58 AM

Well maybe in basic the same thing that Olympus is thinking about to connect micro4/3th to the old system 4/3th.

ElJamoquio · 04-29-2013, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

Yes, the M9 sure is in the same league as Pentax...?!?

I doubt the M9 is anywhere near any Pentax offering, seeing as the Pentax FF would be even better than the K-5 in all likelihood... it'll probably use the D600 sensor.

rawr · 04-29-2013, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

I doubt the M9 is anywhere near any Pentax offering

Unfortunately dxomark.com hasn't been very kind to the Leica M9...

The M9 is probably the worst performing FF in their database, even in low-light.

philbaum · 04-29-2013, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Bestzoom

Another rumour?

The (impossible?) Pentax FF mirrorless camera rumor! | Mirrorless Rumors

Personally i don't think it will happen....but will be really excited if there is one!

I agree, i'd like to see it also. I think its far more likely that the rumors are true about Sony producing a mirrorless Nex FF camera. Its said that the Sony Nex FF will be able to use alpha lenses as well as the e-mount lenses - noone seems to know how they will achieve that.

So Pentax FF will either face competition from Sony if its mirrorless or Cannikon if its a DSLR design.

I think that a Pentax mirrorless is even more unlikely than a Pentax FF DSLR. But Ricoh's impact is the joker card in this decision. Ricoh's camera engineers could contribute a lot of expertise to any Pentax mirrorless camera. What interesting photographic times we live in.

04-29-2013, 04:51 AM	#1
Bestzoom Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sydney Photos: Albums Posts: 232	Pentax mirrorless FF? Another rumour? The (impossible?) Pentax FF mirrorless camera rumor! \| Mirrorless Rumors Personally i don't think it will happen....but will be really excited if there is one!

04-29-2013, 06:03 AM	#4
top-quark Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Aylesbury, Bucks Photos: Albums Posts: 492	I doubt it's true, but it would be the best move that the company has made in more than twenty years. Just so long as the K-01 design remains a "special model" consigned to history. You'd still get a lot of whingeing though: No optical viewfinder Crippled mount 24Mpx rather than 36Mpx (or 36Mpx rather than 24Mpx) Not suitable for shooting Formula 1 / high school football / birds in flight / whatever other imagined deficiency the particular whinger sees Etc.

04-29-2013, 08:08 AM	#7
robgo2 Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Mexico Photos: Albums Posts: 1,125	Originally posted by top-quark I doubt it's true, but it would be the best move that the company has made in more than twenty years. Just so long as the K-01 design remains a "special model" consigned to history. You'd still get a lot of whingeing though: No optical viewfinder Crippled mount 24Mpx rather than 36Mpx (or 36Mpx rather than 24Mpx) Not suitable for shooting Formula 1 / high school football / birds in flight / whatever other imagined deficiency the particular whinger sees Etc. I own a Sony RX1 with a 24MP FF sensor, and I can assure you that 24MP is quite a lot and represents a significant IQ bump from the K-5's 16MP sensor. Not many people need 36MP of resolution, and it does come at a price. But you are right. There will be cries for 36MP. Rob

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04-29-2013, 04:54 AM	#2
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by Bestzoom Another rumour? The (impossible?) Pentax FF mirrorless camera rumor! \| Mirrorless Rumors That would be genius!!! Originally posted by Bestzoom Personally i don't think it will happen....but will be really excited if there is one! The lower you set the bar, the least likely you are to be disappointed. Sad that we have to apply that rule to Pentax.

04-29-2013, 04:57 AM	#3
Bestzoom Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sydney Photos: Albums Posts: 232 Original Poster	I love to see one... Will be the first mirror less FF with interchangable lenses!!

04-29-2013, 06:23 AM	#5
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Bestzoom Will be the first mirror less FF with interchangable lenses!! Umm, Leica M9? But mirrorless may mean Sony Alpha 99 style 'mirrorless', but an otherwise conventional DSLR design.

04-29-2013, 07:45 AM	#6
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by rawr Umm, Leica M9? Yes, the M9 sure is in the same league as Pentax...?!?

04-29-2013, 08:09 AM	#8
top-quark Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Aylesbury, Bucks Photos: Albums Posts: 492	Originally posted by rawr Umm, Leica M9? But mirrorless may mean Sony Alpha 99 style 'mirrorless', but an otherwise conventional DSLR design. M9 most certainly does have a mirror. How do you think you see the focusing patch in the viewfinder? It's not a reflex mirror (which I think just means "leaning backwards" not "moving out of the way" as in "twin lens reflex" where the mirror is fixed) but the Leica M is still a very different beast from what the rest of the world thinks of as "mirrorless". SLTs use a reflex mirror as well. I wish Sony would use the term pellicle rather than "SLT". "Single lens translucent". What? The lens is translucent? Lets light through? Unlike any other lens? You may compose your shot using data read from the sensor with the A99, but it's not only inaccurate to call the A99 mirrorless, it also goes against the common understanding of the term when applied to digital cameras.

04-29-2013, 08:10 AM	#9
top-quark Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Aylesbury, Bucks Photos: Albums Posts: 492	Originally posted by robgo2 I own a Sony RX1 with a 24MP FF sensor. Rob Lucky sod

04-29-2013, 08:33 AM	#10
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	Well.. wow. A hybrid mount that takes current K mount and also newer shorter flange lenses (new XS??).. sounds super interesting. And full frame. Can't wait to hear all the full-frame people start whining that they want it in a DSLR and not in a mirrorless.

04-29-2013, 09:44 AM	#11
TomB_tx Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,446	Originally posted by top-quark SLTs use a reflex mirror as well. I wish Sony would use the term pellicle rather than "SLT". That term might recall the Canon Pellix - which used a pellicle mirror in about 1966. Might not be the image of new technology that Sony likes to push. So they insist it isn't "pellicle."

04-29-2013, 09:58 AM	#12
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Well maybe in basic the same thing that Olympus is thinking about to connect micro4/3th to the old system 4/3th.

04-29-2013, 07:15 PM	#13
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by Clavius Yes, the M9 sure is in the same league as Pentax...?!? I doubt the M9 is anywhere near any Pentax offering, seeing as the Pentax FF would be even better than the K-5 in all likelihood... it'll probably use the D600 sensor.

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04-29-2013, 10:50 PM	#14
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by ElJamoquio I doubt the M9 is anywhere near any Pentax offering Unfortunately dxomark.com hasn't been very kind to the Leica M9... The M9 is probably the worst performing FF in their database, even in low-light.

04-29-2013, 11:46 PM	#15
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by Bestzoom Another rumour? The (impossible?) Pentax FF mirrorless camera rumor! \| Mirrorless Rumors Personally i don't think it will happen....but will be really excited if there is one! I agree, i'd like to see it also. I think its far more likely that the rumors are true about Sony producing a mirrorless Nex FF camera. Its said that the Sony Nex FF will be able to use alpha lenses as well as the e-mount lenses - noone seems to know how they will achieve that. So Pentax FF will either face competition from Sony if its mirrorless or Cannikon if its a DSLR design. I think that a Pentax mirrorless is even more unlikely than a Pentax FF DSLR. But Ricoh's impact is the joker card in this decision. Ricoh's camera engineers could contribute a lot of expertise to any Pentax mirrorless camera. What interesting photographic times we live in.