Originally posted by Kunzite By the way, what do you think of the 560mm? It's more expensive than most f/2.8 zooms, and than a D800. Maybe you should:
- admit there is possible to make a camera in between the D800 and the D600
- rethink how much Pentaxians would be willing to spend (and it doesn't always be a full kit of f/2.8 zooms)
Pentax could make an in between, but why? What features could Pentax add better than a D600 (or more obviously, a D600 MkII).
And which sensor? Pentax really cannot use the 24MP sensor and charge more than what Nikon is doing.
The more you charge, the less customers you have. It matters not if they are Pentaxians.
Originally posted by Fogel70 Pentax is better value for us using Pentax (doh), but it might not necessary be so for other users.
That's why I referenced DP Review. Whenever Pentax went up to Nikon levels they got slammed:
Quote: Though the body-only MSRP of the K-5 II was only $100 cheaper than its predecessor at launch, the current online price is closer to $800 body-only, which puts it in the high-value category. We were concerned about the K-5's high debut price of $1750, but that's certainly less of a concern now.
First, FF has killed the above $1,500 price point for Pentax and most APS-C cameras.
The D600 is selling for US$1,691 already.
Nikon 25488 - D600 - Nikon SLR - 24.3 Megapixel Digital Camera Body
Pentax now earns much less revenue from early adopters because they cannot get flagships in at the same price as before. This is good for consumers looking for value, but terrible for Pentax's revenues. They now have to manage the same manufacturing and distribution systems with less cash flow. $500 more from every camera above a certain price point is going to Nikon.
Nikon is going for value and has the lenses to sell to anyone. You want Pentax to price well above that and offer less system in return.
Originally posted by Fogel70 If Pentax would have much higher value for all users, then Pentax would gain market share fast over time, and by now have the largest market share. Pentax just try to do things differently, looking for users that want something different other manufactures don't do.
Pentax is better value for us using Pentax (doh), but it might not necessary be so for other users. Those users might look for thing Pentax are not good at, or don't even offer (And it is many more important stuff than FF that Pentax is missing out on).
And what exactly makes Pentax different?
Where are the advantages for these "other users"?
In APS-C it was WR (stupidly dumped for a time at the mid-range), now pretty colours, great ergonomics, but that's subjective. The competition has all that, too.
Compact, quality primes for APS-C has been their best feature in the DA Ltd's. But an FF body is going to be largish so a lot of that advantage is mostly lost (made worse when the FF NEX comes out).
Zoom lenses still sell systems and that's where the problems lie. A high-end body is going to see demand for f/2.8 glass or people will go Canikon to the D800/6D. If Pentax pus out a high-end body but can only muster f/4 and some decent variables than they have no better system than a D600 which will be substantially cheaper as noted above.
So Pentax loses by staking the middle ground. Pentax just does not have a features edge or system (lens, flash) to buy into to price above the D600. It's just not there.