Quote: What in the world are you talking about? You do realize Pentax just released a $1000 kit lens, the 20-40 f2.8-4, right? Or the Sigma 18-35 f1.8? You do realize that the same money would buy you your choice of professional full frame zooms or primes, right? And you do realize that half the time people end up buying full frame lenses to put on their crop bodies anyway?
Today's prices at Henry's
SIgma 8-16 APS-c $799 - Nikkor 14-24 $1,749, and the Sigma is wider...
Pentax 16-50 $1,199 Nikkor AFS 1,649
Pentax 50-135 $1,399 ƒ2.8 Nikkor 70-200 ƒ2.8 $ 2179
Pentax 60-250 $1,399 ƒ4 Nikkor AF-s 200-400 ƒ4 $6499
Pentax K-3 $1100 Nikon D610 $1999
Totals..
Pentax system Approx $6,000 Nikon FF system Approx $14,000
Both systems produce about the same IQ in good light, with APS-c having more DoF, for people who value that, and the FF system having less DoF for those who value that.
And you can leave out the 50-135 on the Pentax system bringing it down to $4600, as unless you want ƒ2.8 the DA* 60-250 covers most of it's range.
Quote: And you do realize that half the time people end up buying full frame lenses to put on their crop bodies anyway?
I don't believe I listed even one FF lens in the Pentax line up. And I can make the Pentax line up cheaper and better by inserting the APS-c Tamron 17-50 for $489. I don't think you can make the Nikon system better by buying cheaper glass.
Take out the 50-135 and substitute the Tamron 17-50 for the Pentax 16-50 and you have a very high quality system, quite comparable to the D610 system, for $3,700. Close to the total cost for a D800 and kit lens.