Originally posted by jsherman999 With same-gen bodies (AFAIK) there always has been a DR advantage to FF once you move up from base ISO. (What's changed is that the D800 has now claimed the base ISO as well.)
The remark was made in response to the suggestion that landscape photographers would be interested in FF because of the greater dynamic range. About 99.5% of my landscape pics are shot at base ISO, so the fact that FF has more DR at higher ISOs is irrelevant to me (and to most old school landscape shooters).
Originally posted by jsherman999 If you were willing to buy gently-used, you may be surprised at how much FF kit you could buy for $2600. In the near future you may be making the choice between a new $1200 FF camera and a $750 aps-c camera with similar specs, save for the larger sensor. Would you choose the aps-c camera so readily then if the savings was only $400 or so?
I wouldn't compromise on glass merely to get larger sensor size. I have shot with APS-C and four-thirds sensors. If you compare the best sensors from each platform (say, the K-5iis to the OM-D EM-5), there are advantages to the larger APS-C sensor (cleaner files at base ISO, more dynamic range, better high ISO performance). However, in terms of practical output, those advantages require a pretty sharp eye to notice. The biggest differentiating factor in image quality (other than the skill of the photographer) is usually the quality of the lens. And when I talk of quality of lens, I'm not just talking resolution. I'm talking
microcontrast, color rendition, overall rendering, etc. -- in short, the aesthetic qualities of images produced by the lens, not just how well it performs on numerical tests. Now while the difference between FF and APS-C sensors is greater than the difference between four-thirds and APS-C, generally, the same rule applies. The lenses play a bigger role in image quality than sensor size, at least in prints I peruse at local critique sessions and at galleries. I can sometimes guess that an image is taken with an APS-C camera, but that's because it's shot on a mediocre lens. None of the local FF shooters shoot with anything less than expensive Canon L glass. In bi-monthly critiques, I probably see more than 120+ prints from 30+ photographers. Among the most technically accomplished prints, I can't tell whether they were shot with an APS-C or FF sensor. Maybe I could tell with super large prints, but at 18 by 12, 16 by 20, 16 by 24 -- there just is no significant difference.
For me, it's all about the glass. Give me the right glass, and any sensor four-thirds or larger is fine by me. Bigger sensors are better, but in terms of practical output, sensor size is not all that important. And there's no way I would move to FF if I had to use cheap, "gently used" FF lenses. I'm not interested in shooting the Tamron 28-75 or the Canikon 50/1.8. Undoubtedly nice lenses, but I'm not trading the aesthetic qualities I'm getting with my Pentax glass for just to attain greater resolution or more DOF control. That's not even a lateral move, it's a step downward. Give me a slew of F mount Zeiss primes, and the D800 starts to look interesting. That's at least a clear step upwards. Short of that, I'm not interested in FF. But those Zeiss lenses, not to mention the D800, are well beyond my means.
I would also add that when we talk about spending $2,600 on a system, we're not being entirely realistic. In the real world, many photographers have already invested in systems. They're not starting from scratch. They already own several APS-C lenses, and a surprising number of them are satisfied with what they have. Many of them are shooting with slower APS-C zooms (and yes, those lenses are less expensive and lighter than anything with comparable FOVs in FF). They don't care about DOF at wide to normal focal lengths. I must have seen over a thousand prints from local photographers over the last year. Not one of them featured narrow DOF at a wide or normal focal length. All the narrow DOF shots I 've seen were taken with telephotos: mostly macos and wildlife shots. Now I'm not suggesting there's anything wrong with narrow DOF shots at wide or normal focal lengths. I just don't see it as a driving force in the market. On the other hand, many APS-C shooters tell me they like the 1.5 crop factor, because it's makes their long glass "longer." (And good luck trying to explain to them that they can crop to match their APS-C FOVs on FF!) Many of the "FF is the future" people seem to be operating under the delusion that everyone thinks like themselves and is constantly lusting for something new, better, and more exciting. But most of the APS-C shooters I know personally are perfectly content with what they have now and don't want to go to the trouble or expense of moving on to FF.