Ok, Lets build a fictional FF K-1s together

**monochrome** · 01-30-2014, 06:43 AM

Originally posted by scratchpaddy

Mad lib camera? This could get interesting!

Okay, I demand an optical viewfinder. Just wanted to get that in before someone puts in an EVF.

Originally posted by OldNoob

agreed!

Interchangeable.

Clavius · 01-30-2014, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Interchangeable.

Yes! An interchangeable viewfinder. Now that would be truly something! An engineering nightmare I think, especially if we also want to make use of shorter registry distance, but still.

mrNewt · 01-30-2014, 06:48 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Yes! An interchangeable viewfinder. Now that would be truly something! An engineering nightmare I think, especially if we also want to make use of shorter registry distance, but still.

It shouldn't be that much of a nightmare... and yes, interchangeable is nice to have on my K-HG as well.

**monochrome** · 01-30-2014, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Yes! An interchangeable viewfinder. Now that would be truly something! An engineering nightmare I think, especially if we also want to make use of shorter registry distance, but still.

Meh. It's been done.

Clavius · 01-30-2014, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Meh. It's been done.

I know, that was so cool. It becomes many times more complicated when you want interchangability between both optical and electronic VF's. But I'm obviously not an engineer.

**rbefly** · 01-30-2014, 07:16 AM - **1 Like**

Styling? I'm on record many times with this, but I'll say it again;
No Retro.
Not "Retro Done Right!", no phony nostalgia, no appalling 'faux' 70's hipster look, 'Remember me?' dials and knobs, wannabe.
Because, ya' know, do we really need another Nikon Df?
Fuji X-T1,
Sony Alpha, 7 (R),
Olympus OM-D E-M10?
Trade off what now seems to be the best ergonomics and user-friendly design going, for a box with knobs?
To chase a small, style-oriented fad that's nearing its shelf-life? Overcrowded, overpriced and underdone?
Nay-sayers will point out that the very fact there's so many versions, means it must be popular, right?
Could it be that Sony (in particular) and the others are throwing darts at a board? See what sticks. Of course, they can afford to.
No, a K-5 or K-3 form factor, slightly larger. Normal-looking, no junk, no 'look at me!' design cues, no memorabilia.
Normal, for Pentax, 2014.
Should be interesting....
JMO,
Ron

VoiceOfReason · 01-30-2014, 07:28 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rbefly

Styling? I'm on record many times with this, but I'll say it again;
No Retro.
Not "Retro Done Right!", no phony nostalgia, no appalling 'faux' 70's hipster look, 'Remember me?' dials and knobs, wannabe.
Because, ya' know, do we really need another Nikon Df?
Fuji X-T1,
Sony Alpha, 7 (R),
Olympus OM-D E-M10?
Trade off what now seems to be the best ergonomics and user-friendly design going, for a box with knobs?
To chase a small, style-oriented fad that's nearing its shelf-life? Overcrowded, overpriced and underdone?
Nay-sayers will point out that the very fact there's so many versions, means it must be popular, right?
Could it be that Sony (in particular) and the others are throwing darts at a board? See what sticks. Of course, they can afford to.
No, a K-5 or K-3 form factor, slightly larger. Normal-looking, no junk, no 'look at me!' design cues, no memorabilia.
Normal, for Pentax, 2014.
Should be interesting....
JMO,
Ron

Agreed. I have soem retro cameras (SF1, Spotmatic), and they simply don't feel as good in my hand as my K5 does. My K-01, while not retro, doesn't feel as good in my hand as my K5. I love the ergonomics of the K5.

**monochrome** · 01-30-2014, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

I know, that was so cool. It becomes many times more complicated when you want interchangability between both optical and electronic VF's. But I'm obviously not an engineer.

If the EVF is ONE of the interchangeable options that would be really cool. The LED's and other electrical information were visible in all the LX VF's. I suppose they were actually housed in the body. You'd need the connectors to feed into the EVF and some of the electronics in it.

richard balonglong · 01-30-2014, 09:51 AM

One important feature for this 'future' Pentax FF camera is a decrippled K-mount so you can use light meter with your old Pentax glasses...

**RuiC** · 01-30-2014, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by OldNoob

(I think we may be designing a Super Camera)

Designing or just Specifying ???

**RuiC** · 01-30-2014, 12:25 PM

I think there is an important issue missing on the requirements, the ETA !!! What is the deadline ?

**RuiC** · 01-30-2014, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by oldnoob

6.66 mp per a cm in a full frame would equal how many mp??

57mp ?

**Lowell Goudge** · 01-30-2014, 04:51 PM

Originally posted by OldNoob

Ok, Lets build a fictional FF K-1s together.
Everyone add JUST ONE feature that they would most like to see in a fictional K-1s.
Or add a drawing or image of the feature.
Make sure you don't add a feature that has already been listed. (try not to add conflicting features)
The longer this thread goes the more meditation on features will be needed.

Ok I'll start with:
Full Frame and__________

Features mentioned:
Full Frame
Clean styling
Optical Viewfinder
6.66 MP per a square centimeter
K-3 styling
Size of a LX film camera (possibly mirrorless)
Mirrorless (not sure we can do that with optical viewfinder though, possible rangefinder)
50mm f1.4 metal kit lens
Shake Reduction
Styled by the same person who designed the Pentax Q
4K 60p
Expand ISO lower and higher
Dedicated DOF preview lever or button
Electronic shutter to sync up to 1/8000th.

(I think we may be designing a Super Camera)

Why not forget all of this and just kstart with a PZ1p , update to add all the digital functions, latest focusing engines etc, alpdd P-TTL and aHSS but retain TTL

indy · 01-30-2014, 06:31 PM

Originally posted by kerrowdown

Ouch, but unfortunately your not far off the mark, the Nikon is an impressive piece of kit.

Bingo...sign me up for that one but without the integrated grip.

OldNoob · 01-30-2014, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by Apapukas

Instead of a box, it should come in the hands of a sexy Pentax lady, that just got caught in the rain and is soaking wet (even though the camera is fine, if you still happen to care)

In the news: "Pentax experiencing a rash of pneumonia outbreaks among their delivery girls."

01-30-2014, 07:16 AM - 1 Like	#51
rbefly Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Denver, Colorado Photos: Albums Posts: 2,030	New or Old? Styling? I'm on record many times with this, but I'll say it again; No Retro. Not "Retro Done Right!", no phony nostalgia, no appalling 'faux' 70's hipster look, 'Remember me?' dials and knobs, wannabe. Because, ya' know, do we really need another Nikon Df? Fuji X-T1, Sony Alpha, 7 (R), Olympus OM-D E-M10? Trade off what now seems to be the best ergonomics and user-friendly design going, for a box with knobs? To chase a small, style-oriented fad that's nearing its shelf-life? Overcrowded, overpriced and underdone? Nay-sayers will point out that the very fact there's so many versions, means it must be popular, right? Could it be that Sony (in particular) and the others are throwing darts at a board? See what sticks. Of course, they can afford to. No, a K-5 or K-3 form factor, slightly larger. Normal-looking, no junk, no 'look at me!' design cues, no memorabilia. Normal, for Pentax, 2014. Should be interesting.... JMO, Ron

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01-30-2014, 06:43 AM	#46
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by scratchpaddy Mad lib camera? This could get interesting! Okay, I demand an optical viewfinder. Just wanted to get that in before someone puts in an EVF. Originally posted by OldNoob agreed! Interchangeable.

01-30-2014, 06:45 AM	#47
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by monochrome Interchangeable. Yes! An interchangeable viewfinder. Now that would be truly something! An engineering nightmare I think, especially if we also want to make use of shorter registry distance, but still.

01-30-2014, 06:48 AM	#48
mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by Clavius Yes! An interchangeable viewfinder. Now that would be truly something! An engineering nightmare I think, especially if we also want to make use of shorter registry distance, but still. It shouldn't be that much of a nightmare... and yes, interchangeable is nice to have on my K-HG as well.

01-30-2014, 06:49 AM	#49
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Clavius Yes! An interchangeable viewfinder. Now that would be truly something! An engineering nightmare I think, especially if we also want to make use of shorter registry distance, but still. Meh. It's been done.

01-30-2014, 06:58 AM	#50
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by monochrome Meh. It's been done. I know, that was so cool. It becomes many times more complicated when you want interchangability between both optical and electronic VF's. But I'm obviously not an engineer.

01-30-2014, 07:28 AM - 1 Like	#52
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	Originally posted by rbefly Styling? I'm on record many times with this, but I'll say it again; No Retro. Not "Retro Done Right!", no phony nostalgia, no appalling 'faux' 70's hipster look, 'Remember me?' dials and knobs, wannabe. Because, ya' know, do we really need another Nikon Df? Fuji X-T1, Sony Alpha, 7 (R), Olympus OM-D E-M10? Trade off what now seems to be the best ergonomics and user-friendly design going, for a box with knobs? To chase a small, style-oriented fad that's nearing its shelf-life? Overcrowded, overpriced and underdone? Nay-sayers will point out that the very fact there's so many versions, means it must be popular, right? Could it be that Sony (in particular) and the others are throwing darts at a board? See what sticks. Of course, they can afford to. No, a K-5 or K-3 form factor, slightly larger. Normal-looking, no junk, no 'look at me!' design cues, no memorabilia. Normal, for Pentax, 2014. Should be interesting.... JMO, Ron Agreed. I have soem retro cameras (SF1, Spotmatic), and they simply don't feel as good in my hand as my K5 does. My K-01, while not retro, doesn't feel as good in my hand as my K5. I love the ergonomics of the K5.

01-30-2014, 07:42 AM	#53
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Clavius I know, that was so cool. It becomes many times more complicated when you want interchangability between both optical and electronic VF's. But I'm obviously not an engineer. If the EVF is ONE of the interchangeable options that would be really cool. The LED's and other electrical information were visible in all the LX VF's. I suppose they were actually housed in the body. You'd need the connectors to feed into the EVF and some of the electronics in it.

01-30-2014, 09:51 AM	#54
richard balonglong Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Baguio City, Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 350	One important feature for this 'future' Pentax FF camera is a decrippled K-mount so you can use light meter with your old Pentax glasses...

01-30-2014, 12:21 PM	#55
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by OldNoob (I think we may be designing a Super Camera) Designing or just Specifying ???

01-30-2014, 12:25 PM	#56
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	I think there is an important issue missing on the requirements, the ETA !!! What is the deadline ?

01-30-2014, 12:39 PM	#57
RuiC Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lisboa - The best destination in Europe Posts: 633	Originally posted by oldnoob 6.66 mp per a cm in a full frame would equal how many mp?? 57mp ?

01-30-2014, 04:51 PM	#58
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,891	Originally posted by OldNoob Ok, Lets build a fictional FF K-1s together. Everyone add JUST ONE feature that they would most like to see in a fictional K-1s. Or add a drawing or image of the feature. Make sure you don't add a feature that has already been listed. (try not to add conflicting features) The longer this thread goes the more meditation on features will be needed. Ok I'll start with: Full Frame and__________ Features mentioned: Full Frame Clean styling Optical Viewfinder 6.66 MP per a square centimeter K-3 styling Size of a LX film camera (possibly mirrorless) Mirrorless (not sure we can do that with optical viewfinder though, possible rangefinder) 50mm f1.4 metal kit lens Shake Reduction Styled by the same person who designed the Pentax Q 4K 60p Expand ISO lower and higher Dedicated DOF preview lever or button Electronic shutter to sync up to 1/8000th. (I think we may be designing a Super Camera) Why not forget all of this and just kstart with a PZ1p , update to add all the digital functions, latest focusing engines etc, alpdd P-TTL and aHSS but retain TTL

01-30-2014, 06:31 PM	#59
indy Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Indiana Photos: Gallery Posts: 274	Originally posted by kerrowdown Ouch, but unfortunately your not far off the mark, the Nikon is an impressive piece of kit. Bingo...sign me up for that one but without the integrated grip.

01-30-2014, 07:49 PM	#60
OldNoob Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 402 Original Poster	Originally posted by Apapukas Instead of a box, it should come in the hands of a sexy Pentax lady, that just got caught in the rain and is soaking wet (even though the camera is fine, if you still happen to care) In the news: "Pentax experiencing a rash of pneumonia outbreaks among their delivery girls."