K2D - new FF from Pentax.

**manishved** · 02-24-2014, 08:06 AM

As sensors get more dense, it makes it difficult and more expensive to get better yields during the manufacturing process. If the brand does not have a strong following, its going to cost even more since higher range volume discounts may not be available. This is the dilemma Ricoh must be facing. Its not an issue for Nikon who have a strong following and has diverse products - some of which can compensate for another model's failure.

Daedbird · 02-24-2014, 09:24 AM

K2 taking on K2....unfortunately, this I think would cause some naming convention confusions

zapp · 02-25-2014, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by Petrus_One

Hey - it just seems clear that the next DSLR from Pentax should have this name - after a great grandpa' PENTAX K2.

I write this post inspired heavily by new Df FF DSLR from Nikon. I got this camera in my hands few days ago and I was blown up by the look & feel..... and an amazing, TOTAL lens compatibility...... hmmmmm this is actually what we all have in our Pentax DSLR's!

I am a former Nikon user and I have a positive feeling about their products, so I am really happy Nikon made this move that can force Pentax to create a true timeless-new-classic K2d full frame counterpart of a Nikon Df.

One thing that I do wish K2d should have: a new K-mount with mechanical aperture coupler that would bring all K and M series lenses back to Aperture-priority life.

With massive choice of FF legacy lenses - this K2d would have been a real serious-amator market-ruller!!! Paired with students K1000D FF these DSLR's could make a nice revolution on the market. At least I would have a reason to think of another camera - other than my K5/K200d combo.

What you think? ..... another hypothetical FF dream?

I once made my good prediction of a Nikon D200. Why not this time...

Dream on. If there will be a fullframe Pentax, you do not design it to fit M and K lenses if you want to sell any new gear...

jsherman999 · 02-25-2014, 01:08 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by zapp

Dream on. If there will be a fullframe Pentax, you do not design it to fit M and K lenses if you want to sell any new gear...

On the contrary, you would - you would just make new K-mount lenses for the body, and update old ones. Just as Nikon did.

A completely new mount has some merit if you're going MILC only, if you have an AF-enabled K adapter, but for DSLR it would make zero sense to create a whole new mount. No current Pentaxian would have any incentive to upgrade to it over a Canon or Nikon FF, for one thing.

EDIT: I see you mean the coupling to fully use older MF K and M. Well, I still think you would sell more bodies that way than you would lose lens sales, and then once you get that buyer into a FF body (vs Canon/Nikon,) you can depend on a yearly onslaught of never-quenchable LBA to keep them buying new lenses. One can only resist temptation so long, no matter how many older lenses you have.

**monochrome** · 02-25-2014, 01:16 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by zapp

Dream on. If there will be a fullframe Pentax, you do not design it to fit M and K lenses if you want to sell any new gear...

The K-mount IS a FF mount, so to change it just to intentionally obsolete the lenses I've owned for 30 years will drive me straight to Nikon.

Originally posted by jsherman999

On the contrary, you would - you would just make new K-mount lenses for the body, and update old ones. Just as Nikon did.

A completely new mount has some merit if you're going MILC only, if you have an AF-enabled K adapter, but for DSLR it would make zero sense to create a whole new mount. No current Pentaxian would have any incentive to upgrade to it over a Canon or Nikon FF, for one thing.

Yes, offer lenses that are BETTER than existing K-mount lenses in image-making respect. It is self-evident that film era lens designs suffer various faults when used on modern sensors. New lenses that are optimized for a digital sensor - if a good value - will sell well and DRAW NEW BUYERS to the K-mount, which is the entire idea. The autofocus FF lenses I own are currently in production anyway, so no harm there. Manual focus is fun - but it isn't efficient.

Petrus_One · 03-18-2014, 07:26 PM

I may only guess that some of you people didn't ever put your hands on the original Pentax K2.

I got one, sold it few months ago, got sick after it and now, since last Sunday I am a happy owner of the almost unused velvet black K2 DMD.
Should I mention that for 6 hours I'm even more happy with purely pristine silver K2.......
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
It is not easy to explain to you why I like this design and NAME so much.

I've let few MX go and never actually cared to much about any LX cameras, but K2 makes my blood runs faster.
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As we talk about a legacy traces in the design - take a better look at your K5!!!

Put it next to your Super A/ Super Program: easy to see is the similarity in the design of the shape of the prism cover.
Will you spit now on your K5 now just because it is LEGACY tainted????? :-P

When I found this alikeness - I just understood why I do like my K5 so much.
I like to put both: K5 + Super A to my camera bag. They just fit well.

Parry · 03-20-2014, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

The K-mount IS a FF mount, so to change it just to intentionally obsolete the lenses I've owned for 30 years will drive me straight to Nikon.

Yes, offer lenses that are BETTER than existing K-mount lenses in image-making respect. It is self-evident that film era lens designs suffer various faults when used on modern sensors. New lenses that are optimized for a digital sensor - if a good value - will sell well and DRAW NEW BUYERS to the K-mount, which is the entire idea. The autofocus FF lenses I own are currently in production anyway, so no harm there. Manual focus is fun - but it isn't efficient.

Film lenses, suffering, yeah tell me about.

Loads of third party full frame lenses available for the K mount right now.

When you consider how many E mount lenses are available even now, with no third party AF available, didn't stop Sony.

yusuf · 03-21-2014, 12:09 AM

Any reason for misleading & sensationalizing the title of this post? to get more eyeballs?

You could have better titled it as "K2D - a possible name for new FF from Pentax."

Originally posted by Petrus_One

Hey - it just seems clear that the next DSLR from Pentax should have this name - after a great grandpa' PENTAX K2.

**Fontan** · 03-21-2014, 11:16 PM

K2 in Japanese means "ass," so it ain't gonna be it. Besides, my sources tell me it is not coming until 2016, given the economic climate of today.

**monochrome** · 03-22-2014, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by Fontan

K2 in Japanese means "ass," so it ain't gonna be it. Besides, my sources tell me it is not coming until 2016, given the economic climate of today.

What's wrong with the economic climate of today that would push the FF back two years? Sounds like an excuse - or maybe a feint.

ElJamoquio · 03-22-2014, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

What's wrong with the economic climate of today that would push the FF back two years? Sounds like an excuse - or maybe a feint.

'economic climate'. bwah hahahahahahaha.

**monochrome** · 03-22-2014, 11:53 AM

The most hated economic recovery in the history of the western world.

**Fontan** · 03-23-2014, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

What's wrong with the economic climate of today that would push the FF back two years? Sounds like an excuse - or maybe a feint.

Pentax for the last several years has survived primarily on excuses.

patarok · 03-24-2014, 04:59 AM

Originally posted by Fontan

Pentax for the last several years has survived primarily on excuses.

Troll Alarm!

wax · 03-25-2014, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by mythguy9

Yeah, if you exclude the K-01...

And Q(10)(7)

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02-24-2014, 08:06 AM	#46
manishved Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: N. Calif Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,651	As sensors get more dense, it makes it difficult and more expensive to get better yields during the manufacturing process. If the brand does not have a strong following, its going to cost even more since higher range volume discounts may not be available. This is the dilemma Ricoh must be facing. Its not an issue for Nikon who have a strong following and has diverse products - some of which can compensate for another model's failure.

02-24-2014, 09:24 AM	#47
Daedbird Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 156	K2 taking on K2....unfortunately, this I think would cause some naming convention confusions

02-25-2014, 11:44 AM	#48
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	Originally posted by Petrus_One Hey - it just seems clear that the next DSLR from Pentax should have this name - after a great grandpa' PENTAX K2. I write this post inspired heavily by new Df FF DSLR from Nikon. I got this camera in my hands few days ago and I was blown up by the look & feel..... and an amazing, TOTAL lens compatibility...... hmmmmm this is actually what we all have in our Pentax DSLR's! I am a former Nikon user and I have a positive feeling about their products, so I am really happy Nikon made this move that can force Pentax to create a true timeless-new-classic K2d full frame counterpart of a Nikon Df. One thing that I do wish K2d should have: a new K-mount with mechanical aperture coupler that would bring all K and M series lenses back to Aperture-priority life. With massive choice of FF legacy lenses - this K2d would have been a real serious-amator market-ruller!!! Paired with students K1000D FF these DSLR's could make a nice revolution on the market. At least I would have a reason to think of another camera - other than my K5/K200d combo. What you think? ..... another hypothetical FF dream? I once made my good prediction of a Nikon D200. Why not this time... Dream on. If there will be a fullframe Pentax, you do not design it to fit M and K lenses if you want to sell any new gear...

02-25-2014, 01:08 PM - 1 Like	#49
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by zapp Dream on. If there will be a fullframe Pentax, you do not design it to fit M and K lenses if you want to sell any new gear... On the contrary, you would - you would just make new K-mount lenses for the body, and update old ones. Just as Nikon did. A completely new mount has some merit if you're going MILC only, if you have an AF-enabled K adapter, but for DSLR it would make zero sense to create a whole new mount. No current Pentaxian would have any incentive to upgrade to it over a Canon or Nikon FF, for one thing. EDIT: I see you mean the coupling to fully use older MF K and M. Well, I still think you would sell more bodies that way than you would lose lens sales, and then once you get that buyer into a FF body (vs Canon/Nikon,) you can depend on a yearly onslaught of never-quenchable LBA to keep them buying new lenses. One can only resist temptation so long, no matter how many older lenses you have.

02-25-2014, 01:16 PM - 2 Likes	#50
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by zapp Dream on. If there will be a fullframe Pentax, you do not design it to fit M and K lenses if you want to sell any new gear... The K-mount IS a FF mount, so to change it just to intentionally obsolete the lenses I've owned for 30 years will drive me straight to Nikon. Originally posted by jsherman999 On the contrary, you would - you would just make new K-mount lenses for the body, and update old ones. Just as Nikon did. A completely new mount has some merit if you're going MILC only, if you have an AF-enabled K adapter, but for DSLR it would make zero sense to create a whole new mount. No current Pentaxian would have any incentive to upgrade to it over a Canon or Nikon FF, for one thing. Yes, offer lenses that are BETTER than existing K-mount lenses in image-making respect. It is self-evident that film era lens designs suffer various faults when used on modern sensors. New lenses that are optimized for a digital sensor - if a good value - will sell well and DRAW NEW BUYERS to the K-mount, which is the entire idea. The autofocus FF lenses I own are currently in production anyway, so no harm there. Manual focus is fun - but it isn't efficient.

03-18-2014, 07:26 PM	#51
Petrus_One Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Warsaw Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 83 Original Poster	I may only guess that some of you people didn't ever put your hands on the original Pentax K2. I got one, sold it few months ago, got sick after it and now, since last Sunday I am a happy owner of the almost unused velvet black K2 DMD. Should I mention that for 6 hours I'm even more happy with purely pristine silver K2....... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It is not easy to explain to you why I like this design and NAME so much. I've let few MX go and never actually cared to much about any LX cameras, but K2 makes my blood runs faster. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As we talk about a legacy traces in the design - take a better look at your K5!!! Put it next to your Super A/ Super Program: easy to see is the similarity in the design of the shape of the prism cover. Will you spit now on your K5 now just because it is LEGACY tainted????? :-P When I found this alikeness - I just understood why I do like my K5 so much. I like to put both: K5 + Super A to my camera bag. They just fit well.

03-20-2014, 12:12 AM	#52
Parry Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 606	Originally posted by monochrome The K-mount IS a FF mount, so to change it just to intentionally obsolete the lenses I've owned for 30 years will drive me straight to Nikon. Yes, offer lenses that are BETTER than existing K-mount lenses in image-making respect. It is self-evident that film era lens designs suffer various faults when used on modern sensors. New lenses that are optimized for a digital sensor - if a good value - will sell well and DRAW NEW BUYERS to the K-mount, which is the entire idea. The autofocus FF lenses I own are currently in production anyway, so no harm there. Manual focus is fun - but it isn't efficient. Film lenses, suffering, yeah tell me about. Loads of third party full frame lenses available for the K mount right now. When you consider how many E mount lenses are available even now, with no third party AF available, didn't stop Sony.

03-21-2014, 12:09 AM	#53
yusuf Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palo Alto, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,497	Any reason for misleading & sensationalizing the title of this post? to get more eyeballs? You could have better titled it as "K2D - a possible name for new FF from Pentax." Originally posted by Petrus_One Hey - it just seems clear that the next DSLR from Pentax should have this name - after a great grandpa' PENTAX K2.

03-21-2014, 11:16 PM	#54
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	K2 in Japanese means "ass," so it ain't gonna be it. Besides, my sources tell me it is not coming until 2016, given the economic climate of today.

03-22-2014, 09:00 AM	#55
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Fontan K2 in Japanese means "ass," so it ain't gonna be it. Besides, my sources tell me it is not coming until 2016, given the economic climate of today. What's wrong with the economic climate of today that would push the FF back two years? Sounds like an excuse - or maybe a feint.

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03-22-2014, 09:16 AM	#56
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by monochrome What's wrong with the economic climate of today that would push the FF back two years? Sounds like an excuse - or maybe a feint. 'economic climate'. bwah hahahahahahaha.

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	The most hated economic recovery in the history of the western world.

03-23-2014, 10:44 PM	#58
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,610	Originally posted by monochrome What's wrong with the economic climate of today that would push the FF back two years? Sounds like an excuse - or maybe a feint. Pentax for the last several years has survived primarily on excuses.

03-24-2014, 04:59 AM	#59
patarok Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 389	Originally posted by Fontan Pentax for the last several years has survived primarily on excuses. Troll Alarm!

03-25-2014, 08:56 AM	#60
wax Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Santiago Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 53	Originally posted by mythguy9 Yeah, if you exclude the K-01... And Q(10)(7)