Photokina 2014 - FF

jsherman999 · 06-16-2014, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Wow. I put the FF Forum on my ignore list for a while. Today I added it back and I find not much has changed other than the arguments have become ad hominem attacks.

I'm pretty sure of one thing. Whenever Pentax does release a FF camera it won't satisfy most of these posters. The only question is whether the condemnation will be a 'K-01 Level' collective primal scream or merely 'K-3 crazy mirror sickness Level' coyotes yapping in the distance.

If it is like you describe, then it will be no different than Canon/Nikon-land. No-one is ever fully satisfied there either. It's part of the deal.

asahi man · 06-16-2014, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Another way to look at it is 'Ricoh has had a lot of time to prepare' for an ambitious project.

---------- Post added 06-16-14 at 02:14 PM ----------

So when is the FF coming? Is it a DSLR?

I don´t know when.
I only know Pentax is working on fullframe,look to the latest patents and the comment to the new telezoom,also fullframe patent and market with fullframe.
Next bigger release should be this telezoom,than we will see more.
And yes,i had wrong informations,or better,half informations.
But i also have no problem to talk about it.
Look back to the K-3 and the converter....
K-3 comes in fullframe was told.....can not remember who was this funny source and i told it is not the fullframe.No way and never.
Later,the first picture of the converter......everybody told it is a fakepicture.....i also told no,it is the real picture.cause?
i saw this converter on a photo and he has the same look,not like the old pentax converter from photokina 2008.
The converter project was another think what Hoya has killed to Hoyatime.
Same kill later with the great Mr.Hirakawa.Now he is working for Tamron,my German Source told me the complete story about this Hoya desaster.
Good morning and best regards :-)

cali92rs · 06-16-2014, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by jsherman999

No-one is ever fully satisfied there either. It's part of the deal.

Same with hotrodding...
And with golfing....
And with smart phones...
And with boating...
And with...well, you get the picture.

It's the essence of capitalism. If people were truly satisfied with what they had, the world wide economywould collapse. That's why marketing firms hire teams of psycologists and behaviorlists to ensure that people remain unhappy with what they have.

**monochrome** · 06-16-2014, 03:09 PM

IMHO though there is a special variety of dissatisfaction in Pentaxland. If 5 3/16" letters can cause such anguish . . .

Uluru · 06-16-2014, 03:44 PM

There is nothing material available now to base any predictions about the FF from Pentax. Rumours and wishful thinking do not qualify.

First, the official communication is dead silent about it. Purported FF lenses coming out are still not coming out. The TC being of an FF image circle, well, it had to be, because inside the current and official lineup there are several lens designs made for the FF, and the TC must support all lenses.

Indeed, we have nothing to base any speculation on, and if we insist that something ought or must come out this year, rather sooner than later the whole threads end up in personal attacks. We are fighting over nothing.

Best is if the whole FF question is treated as non-existent. Think the FF will never come, and if it comes by some chance, then we will have a better chance discussing something real. Perhaps that is why majority in the poll above still voted for "No". Either the FF is irrelevant for them, or the wait has been so long that even if the FF may come out this year, they doubt it taught by the previous experiences.

ElJamoquio · 06-16-2014, 04:02 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Uluru

There is nothing material available now to base any predictions about the FF from Pentax. Rumours and wishful thinking do not qualify.

By any reasonable definition, a FA 70-200 on the roadmap and Pentax's statements that they were working on a FF are a substantial basis upon which to base a prediction.

Poit · 06-16-2014, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by asahi man

From the first day of this stupid rumor,i told that the k-3 never comes in fullframe,only the 24mp are true.
there was not one source,who could be right.
but the rumor goes worldwide and never stopped :-)

Actually, it is you who has been suggesting FF in a K-3 body...

Originally posted by asahi man

A Camera body like K-3,Sensor 24MP Sony last edition and a HighIso wonder like the K-5?

Originally posted by asahi man

And K-3 class is not out of production,if 35mm ....
Best regards

I'm confused...

ElJamoquio · 06-16-2014, 05:32 PM

The Canon 5D MkII is like a Canon 7D.

Poit · 06-16-2014, 05:40 PM

Point taken.

I'm sure you can see my interpretation too, though...

Uluru · 06-16-2014, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

In a dark and speculative corner of my mind I see a cutting-edge Ricoh-Branded FF mirrorless with a new mount, a different form factor and a K-mount adapter.

Based only on an assumption that countless mirrorless lens patents may mean something, Ricoh will not launch any FF mirrorless mount, not even with a Ricoh's name on it.

It will be crop, as it allows miniaturisation to the greater degree, much better portability and flexibility. If the Sony A7 is the cutting edge of the mirrorless FF design, with a lens on it, it looks pathetic and large.

But because existing K-mount is an FF mount, only the K-mount FF does make sense.

So this is my "educated guess" bet:

– something new mirrorless for a crop sensor. It is unique and unusual. Highly portable, powerful. Maybe weatherproof. Excellent array of very small lenses. Latest gizmos. Latest EVF tech. Or, a reiteration of the Pentax crop DSLR philosophy, but in the mirrorless world. Like the Q system, it will be launched not with one, but rather with 4 or 5 different lenses. Sold as a kit. Body plus one lens will be priced something like the GR. Etc.

– K-mount FF camera.

---------- Post added 06-17-2014 at 12:10 PM ----------

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

By any reasonable definition, a FA 70-200 on the roadmap and Pentax's statements that they were working on a FF are a substantial basis upon which to base a prediction.

I am pretty sure that when it really comes out, we shall have more insight. For now, it is but a ghost ship.

ElJamoquio · 06-16-2014, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by Uluru

If the Sony A7 is the cutting edge of the mirrorless FF design, with a lens on it, it looks pathetic and large.

Disagree.

http://j.mp/1iD5F6g

Reltih · 06-16-2014, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Disagree.

Compact Camera Meter

That SEL 50 1.8 is a crop lens. You must use FE 55 1.8 instead.

Supernaut · 06-17-2014, 01:31 AM

Originally posted by asahi man

Next bigger release should be this telezoom,than we will see more.

Hi,
Any additional information about this lens? If I remember correctly you were about to handle this lens (or prototype) for some time ago

Serpiente · 06-17-2014, 01:50 AM

No, but the K-3s will.. With some tweaks like better tracking AF, mirror flop issue solved, battery will last longer

Kunzite · 06-17-2014, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

By any reasonable definition, a FA 70-200 on the roadmap and Pentax's statements that they were working on a FF are a substantial basis upon which to base a prediction.

Indeed. We might not see it at Photokina, but now (i.e. after Ricoh took over) we have reasons to believe it's coming.

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06-16-2014, 02:30 PM	#212
asahi man Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 324	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Another way to look at it is 'Ricoh has had a lot of time to prepare' for an ambitious project. ---------- Post added 06-16-14 at 02:14 PM ---------- So when is the FF coming? Is it a DSLR? I don´t know when. I only know Pentax is working on fullframe,look to the latest patents and the comment to the new telezoom,also fullframe patent and market with fullframe. Next bigger release should be this telezoom,than we will see more. And yes,i had wrong informations,or better,half informations. But i also have no problem to talk about it. Look back to the K-3 and the converter.... K-3 comes in fullframe was told.....can not remember who was this funny source and i told it is not the fullframe.No way and never. Later,the first picture of the converter......everybody told it is a fakepicture.....i also told no,it is the real picture.cause? i saw this converter on a photo and he has the same look,not like the old pentax converter from photokina 2008. The converter project was another think what Hoya has killed to Hoyatime. Same kill later with the great Mr.Hirakawa.Now he is working for Tamron,my German Source told me the complete story about this Hoya desaster. Good morning and best regards :-) Last edited by asahi man; 06-16-2014 at 03:00 PM.

06-16-2014, 03:44 PM	#215
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	There is nothing material available now to base any predictions about the FF from Pentax. Rumours and wishful thinking do not qualify. First, the official communication is dead silent about it. Purported FF lenses coming out are still not coming out. The TC being of an FF image circle, well, it had to be, because inside the current and official lineup there are several lens designs made for the FF, and the TC must support all lenses. Indeed, we have nothing to base any speculation on, and if we insist that something ought or must come out this year, rather sooner than later the whole threads end up in personal attacks. We are fighting over nothing. Best is if the whole FF question is treated as non-existent. Think the FF will never come, and if it comes by some chance, then we will have a better chance discussing something real. Perhaps that is why majority in the poll above still voted for "No". Either the FF is irrelevant for them, or the wait has been so long that even if the FF may come out this year, they doubt it taught by the previous experiences. Last edited by Uluru; 06-16-2014 at 03:52 PM.

06-16-2014, 07:02 PM	#220
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by monochrome In a dark and speculative corner of my mind I see a cutting-edge Ricoh-Branded FF mirrorless with a new mount, a different form factor and a K-mount adapter. Based only on an assumption that countless mirrorless lens patents may mean something, Ricoh will not launch any FF mirrorless mount, not even with a Ricoh's name on it. It will be crop, as it allows miniaturisation to the greater degree, much better portability and flexibility. If the Sony A7 is the cutting edge of the mirrorless FF design, with a lens on it, it looks pathetic and large. But because existing K-mount is an FF mount, only the K-mount FF does make sense. So this is my "educated guess" bet: – something new mirrorless for a crop sensor. It is unique and unusual. Highly portable, powerful. Maybe weatherproof. Excellent array of very small lenses. Latest gizmos. Latest EVF tech. Or, a reiteration of the Pentax crop DSLR philosophy, but in the mirrorless world. Like the Q system, it will be launched not with one, but rather with 4 or 5 different lenses. Sold as a kit. Body plus one lens will be priced something like the GR. Etc. – K-mount FF camera. ---------- Post added 06-17-2014 at 12:10 PM ---------- Originally posted by ElJamoquio By any reasonable definition, a FA 70-200 on the roadmap and Pentax's statements that they were working on a FF are a substantial basis upon which to base a prediction. I am pretty sure that when it really comes out, we shall have more insight. For now, it is but a ghost ship. Last edited by Uluru; 06-16-2014 at 07:09 PM.

06-16-2014, 08:04 PM	#221
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by Uluru If the Sony A7 is the cutting edge of the mirrorless FF design, with a lens on it, it looks pathetic and large. Disagree. http://j.mp/1iD5F6g Last edited by ElJamoquio; 06-16-2014 at 10:49 PM.

06-16-2014, 02:16 PM	#211
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by monochrome Wow. I put the FF Forum on my ignore list for a while. Today I added it back and I find not much has changed other than the arguments have become ad hominem attacks. I'm pretty sure of one thing. Whenever Pentax does release a FF camera it won't satisfy most of these posters. The only question is whether the condemnation will be a 'K-01 Level' collective primal scream or merely 'K-3 crazy mirror sickness Level' coyotes yapping in the distance. If it is like you describe, then it will be no different than Canon/Nikon-land. No-one is ever fully satisfied there either. It's part of the deal.

06-16-2014, 02:38 PM	#213
cali92rs Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 3,354	Originally posted by jsherman999 No-one is ever fully satisfied there either. It's part of the deal. Same with hotrodding... And with golfing.... And with smart phones... And with boating... And with...well, you get the picture. It's the essence of capitalism. If people were truly satisfied with what they had, the world wide economywould collapse. That's why marketing firms hire teams of psycologists and behaviorlists to ensure that people remain unhappy with what they have.

06-16-2014, 03:09 PM	#214
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	IMHO though there is a special variety of dissatisfaction in Pentaxland. If 5 3/16" letters can cause such anguish . . .

06-16-2014, 04:02 PM - 1 Like	#216
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by Uluru There is nothing material available now to base any predictions about the FF from Pentax. Rumours and wishful thinking do not qualify. By any reasonable definition, a FA 70-200 on the roadmap and Pentax's statements that they were working on a FF are a substantial basis upon which to base a prediction.

06-16-2014, 05:11 PM	#217
Poit Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 423	Originally posted by asahi man From the first day of this stupid rumor,i told that the k-3 never comes in fullframe,only the 24mp are true. there was not one source,who could be right. but the rumor goes worldwide and never stopped :-) Actually, it is you who has been suggesting FF in a K-3 body... Originally posted by asahi man A Camera body like K-3,Sensor 24MP Sony last edition and a HighIso wonder like the K-5? Originally posted by asahi man And K-3 class is not out of production,if 35mm .... Best regards I'm confused...

06-16-2014, 05:32 PM	#218
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	The Canon 5D MkII is like a Canon 7D.

06-16-2014, 05:40 PM	#219
Poit Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Canberra, Australia Posts: 423	Point taken. I'm sure you can see my interpretation too, though...

06-16-2014, 10:27 PM	#222
Reltih Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 84	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Disagree. Compact Camera Meter That SEL 50 1.8 is a crop lens. You must use FE 55 1.8 instead.

06-17-2014, 01:31 AM	#223
Supernaut Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: West Coast , Sweden Posts: 467	Originally posted by asahi man Next bigger release should be this telezoom,than we will see more. Hi, Any additional information about this lens? If I remember correctly you were about to handle this lens (or prototype) for some time ago

06-17-2014, 01:50 AM	#224
Serpiente Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 154	No, but the K-3s will.. With some tweaks like better tracking AF, mirror flop issue solved, battery will last longer

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