Originally posted by mee I am following. I simply disagree with your conclusions.
'Success' is what? Being the industry leader, or number 2 in sales, or number 3, being a loss leader in drawing more people to buy various Pentax branded products, forcing other brands to innovate further to keep their lead, providing honorable product for the brand, or something else?
If you think they need to chew majorly into Canikony's FF market.. then I can see why you'd say what you say. But it seems the negativity has been around the industry for over a decade and yet the industry has managed to survive quite well.. Each company has proven to be more resilient for than many give them credit.
Pentax could enter the FF market if they want to. They don't require massive sales. The words, if true, that you mentioned Ricoh's CEO stating show this.. they don't even worry about massive sales and being 1 or 2. They can release a FF and be 3 or 4 and that is ok. As long as they aren't burning money... that is the revenue from building, producing, and supporting the FF body(ies) is made up in increased lens and other product sales as a result of the FF system, then what does it matter what % of the marketshare they own?
Japanese seem to, at least from this distant chair, respect the old and the group. There seems to be more of a duty almost to keep the old continuing even with the new is superior. Plus there seems to be more of an effort to meet goals vs pure financial gain. You meet your goals (listening to customers, innovating in market in some fashion, providing certain product), you stick to the plan, and all is well. Of course if you continually lose money, all is not well. But the point I'm making is a pure financial or leader standpoint doesn't seem to be the number one driving factor in Japanese business.
Versus Western style which seems to play cuthroat for the most efficient method of making the most amount of money. If you do not meet financial goal X you failed. the end. who cares about the employee, the product, the customer, or anything else beyond pure financial profit? That is general western style.
So perhaps some of this is in analyzing a different culture and mindset with our own? It would be fascinating to hear from someone more familiar with Japanese culture and mindset in corporations.
If you're following, you don't effectively refute my argument. Remember, Ricoh or Pentax isn't doing charity. They're making cameras as business. Why do they have to get into a field where the two giants are dominant? FF's market share is less than 10%, and Canikon is too powerful in that small segment.
The reason why Mr. Miura says that Pentax's aim is to be break-even is that Pentax is losing money. According to him, the loss in Ricoh's camera division was $20 million in the fiscal year 2012. That's why he said Pentax should break even at least. Is there any reason that Pentax is going to get FF out when Pentax is losing money and there looks like no prospect that Pentax's FF sells good and is profitable? FF could make Pentax business much worse.
The K-5 is in the red. I heard it from a Pentax guy. I guess that the K-3 is also in the red. Pentax is much more popular in Japan than other countries, and in that Japan, the K-3, the most advanced APS-C camera at the time of launch, isn't selling well. In any statistics, the K-3 is raked very low in sales, except for the initial stage. Is there any reason that I can believe Pentax's FF is profitable? Remember, the K-5 is losing money. The K-3 is losing money. Why is Pentax's FF suddenly supposed to be profitable?
As I said, Sony, one of the most popular names in business, challenged Canikon's FF with the A900 and the A99, which has resulted in failure so far, excluding the A7 which seems to gain modest success. Sony has failed, and the past products showed miserable performance. Is there any reason to believe that Pentax FF is successful enough to turn around?
Do you know how much it costs to make one lens? It's not $10 or $20. One lens costs around $10 million in some cases. It costs very, very, very much. The current loss of Pentax is $20 million. If Pentax gets 3 or 4 FF lenses out as you said, Pentax needs $30 to $40 million only for lenses. If you add up bodies, the cost increases much more. Just tell me. Is there any plan to cover $30 to $40 million or more along with the loss of $20 million in FF business where Canon and Nikon is very, very, very powerful and even Sony can't compete?
Remember, the entire camera market is shrinking. That's why Nikon is going to the medical business and Sony has aligned with Olympus which has a strong medical division. Sony's intent is not Olympus's mediocre camera but its profitable medical business which has saved Olympus even after the financial fraud.
Again, Pentax isn't making cameras for charity. They're doing business. If you disagree with me, you have to show a reasonable plan to believe that Pentax FF turns out to be profitable enough to cover all the cost.