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09-04-2014, 11:51 PM   #526
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QuoteOriginally posted by GlassJunkie Quote
hat would you rather own a Pentax FA* 85 F1.4 or the Sigma?
Have the FA*85, love it to death, don't even know the Sigma and don't care either ;-)
Try prying that FA* from my cold dead hands

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Will Pentax counter Nikon D750

Acording to Nikon Rumors, Nikon will soon release the Full Frame camera that pentax should have released, the d750. That is something between the d600 and d800, this was the niche Pentax should have attacked a high quality full frame camera based around the sony 24mp sensor, basically the K-3 with a full frame sensor. Will pentax have an answer, who knows, I hope so. If not at photokina then they should atleast state there intentions. I think Pentax users have been very patient.
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IMHO: 24mpFF is a step backward with high cost

For lots of reasons, I feel a 24mpFF DSLR would be a step back for Pentax. As a cheap ILC? OK. but why pour money into High dollar and heavy FF glass so you can lose the advantages of DA size sensors and crop? Yes, landscapes, real estate, architecture, and even boat sales need width. If Pentax continues to be APSC only, we need higher grade wider glass (10-16mm F2.8 or better, HD SDM/DC and WR). No argument. Better to spend the R&D money on an ILC that uses the high end legacy glass. Why put that money into a 5% market when you could add Long DA/DA* and 645 HD glass.

I used 645Ns for years, to 400mm AF. Needed 600-900 for tweeties.... IMHO
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QuoteOriginally posted by GlassJunkie Quote
why pour money into High dollar and heavy FF glass
In my experience, equally capable FF lenses are lower dollar and lighter. YMMV.

09-05-2014, 09:30 AM   #530
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QuoteOriginally posted by GlassJunkie Quote
Here's a poll I'd love to see.... How many Pentax users own Bigmas (120-400, 150-500, 50-500) and plan to dump them when the Pentax LTZoom comes out?... What would you rather own a Pentax FA* 85 F1.4 or the Sigma? What would you rather own a Pentax Ltd 77 F1.8 or the Sigma 85 F1.4?
I have the FA*85mm and it's a great lens.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kozlok Quote
If they announce FF, then Pentax is doomed.

If they don't announce FF, then Pentax is doomed.

Short answer: Pentax is doomed.
I'll start throwing away my gear now!

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In my experience, equally capable FF lenses are lower dollar and lighter. YMMV.
But on 16-50 ranges, 50-135, 60-250 vs 70-210 (yes a stop less, but more range).... If I look at a K-3 with DA* 16-50 F2.8 and 50-135 F2.8, vs. a Cannikon of FF and a 28-70 F2.8 and a 70-210 F2.8, seems easier for APSC to lug around a similar capability (DOF and other things aside and managed)....

Maybe I am just getting lazy. I have the 300 F2.8 FA* and the 300 F4 DA*, and unless I am tripoding, bringing a lunch and want to pick my perch for birdies, I take the DA* more often than not... Just my read...
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
In my experience, equally capable FF lenses are lower dollar and lighter. YMMV.
Ditto

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There is something about this! Why is that hashtag not a hashtag? Is that a font? If not, it has to mean something!

Taken from ricoh imaging's facebook site.


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QuoteOriginally posted by GlassJunkie Quote
But on 16-50 ranges, 50-135, 60-250 vs 70-210 (yes a stop less, but more range).... If I look at a K-3 with DA* 16-50 F2.8 and 50-135 F2.8, vs. a Cannikon of FF and a 28-70 F2.8 and a 70-210 F2.8, seems easier for APSC to lug around a similar capability (DOF and other things aside and managed)....
It's not a similar capability. The FF lenses you mention aren't sold new any more, for one, and F/4.5 lenses are equally capable to the lenses you mentioned.

You say we should set aside DOF (and implicitly IQ of lower ISO) but that's really one of the primary drivers for lens weight and cost.

Comparing equal DOF and equal light-gathering ability at an equal FOV, you're talking about a FF 28-75mm F/4.5 lens to compare to your 16-50 F/2.8 APSC. Of course the FF will generally have higher sharpness, even holding those other things equal.

When you go to FF of F/2.8 you should compare to lenses of F/1.8 on APS-C in terms of capability.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ElJamoquio Quote
It's not a similar capability. The FF lenses you mention aren't sold new any more, for one, and F/4.5 lenses are equally capable to the lenses you mentioned.

You say we should set aside DOF (and implicitly IQ of lower ISO) but that's really one of the primary drivers for lens weight and cost.

Comparing equal DOF and equal light-gathering ability at an equal FOV, you're talking about a FF 28-75mm F/4.5 lens to compare to your 16-50 F/2.8 APSC. Of course the FF will generally have higher sharpness, even holding those other things equal.

When you go to FF of F/2.8 you should compare to lenses of F/1.8 on APS-C in terms of capability.

I guess I don't look at the F4-or close 28-75 as comparable, construction, coatings, barrel distortions on cheaper builds, etc, but light wise... ok... Hence, would love to sit over a bottle of "something good" and lay out results. After using the FA*s for years I got spoiled. With K-3 and DA*, I am happier with the results than K-3 FA* on the zooms, and a bit too much CA on the 24 and 85 FA*s, (post produx fixed it though)....

Agree with shallow DOF in flowers and the like, near birds/critters, but on reach and macro, pinholes are happy for me (af on birding still want big glass and crop). Like the reach/crop. Too old for 600F4s

Thoroughly enjoy our discxs...

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There is something about this! Why is that hashtag not a hashtag? Is that a font? If not, it has to mean something!

Taken from ricoh imaging's facebook site.

Having worked in Japan for years and being linguistically capable, it's not Katakana, Hirigana, or any Kanji I learned. If it's a hashtag, cool, but I don't know what the new scribbles mean (DHAFC)... if it is a hashtag in a different font, ok. Nice and streamlined. If it's a code or sign, I retain plausible deniability so they don't have to kill me...

We can play it backward like the "White Album" and see if it means something.... I'll get a mirror....
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There is something about this! Why is that hashtag not a hashtag? Is that a font? If not, it has to mean something!

Taken from ricoh imaging's facebook site.

wow, great theory
09-05-2014, 01:41 PM   #538
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There is something about this! Why is that hashtag not a hashtag? Is that a font? If not, it has to mean something!

Taken from ricoh imaging's facebook site.

Yeah, some might say you're looking too much into this, but this is actually a really interesting theory. Every other Throwback Thursday post uses a more typical font with # signs that actually look like # signs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Belnan Quote
I think Pentax users have been very patient.
Not all. I personally know many that has moved to Nikon due the lack of Pentax ff.
09-05-2014, 03:02 PM   #540
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QuoteOriginally posted by mattb123 Quote
I'll start throwing away my gear now!
I can mail you a sturdy box you can toss it (gently) into and mail it to me... yes I know thats crazy that I'm willing to dispose of your K mount equipment even though it is junk because Pentax is doooomed.

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And the one thought I've concluded from observing as well as being a part of this community over the past few years is... a Psychologist might be able to land seriously large grants in order to study the human nature with respect to the digital Full Frame Pentax 'discussions' seen throughout these forums..

I've seen so many rumors.. and rumors bent to become other rumors.. and not even rumors bent into rumors.. and they all seem to originate or at least have a significant progressing/forming into one on these forums haha it is incredible.. both entertaining and disturbing.. like watching a train crash. It is awful but hard to look away.
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