Originally posted by normhead Anyone who has a Pentax can buy a D800 and many have. And many who have will tell you they still use their Pentax quite a bit. My guess is most who are happy with APS-c will stay with APS-c. Most who won't buy a D800 because of the cost, won't buy a Pentax FF because of the cost. This endless speculation is pointless. Why would anyone drop 3k on an FF just because it's there? You just don't get it. FFs are affordable, anyone who really wants one, has one. Those of us who are Pentax only don't have to defend our choice. It's our choice.... if we care to explain it, then that's our business. We may explain it. But it's not offensive. The fact that it's offensive for people to assume we haven't done our homework when we made our choice, or don't know as much as they do, because of the choice we made, that's offensive. Saying Pentax users defend their choice based on lack of information would be enough for me to boot you right off of here if this were my personal board. Because, honestly, I probably know more than you, and I don't care to entertain your opinion of my choice. I honestly don't care what you think about my personal choice. It's irrelevant, to you and to me. Discuss your own choices if you want. leave "the people who are Pentax only" out of it. You represent them poorly and they have every right to be offended by your representation of them.
It seems to be really hard for some people to comprehend.. Full Frame is not the be all and end all of digital cameras. There are good reasons why the vast majority of DSLR users, don't want one. There are good reasons that with the advent of the 6D and D610, more reasonably priced digital options, FF still isn' making big inroads into the APS-c market. You need to understand why that is. Nikon didn't, that's why they have a ton of D600s they're trying to dump on the Chinese market.
I don't know how to tell you it, the problem is also that English is not my mother language, but I will try. This is a Pentax forum so that's why I said Pentax only. But you see it on Canon forums, Nikon forums, you see it on every branded forums. And believe me, I have (to mention only the digital brands, analogue I have much more) Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Sigma, Kodak, Panasonic and Leica camera's and I am member of many forums who are dedicated to one of those brands. And everywhere you see similar discussions.
And everywhere they defend there choice because they can't look beyond that choice and feel even offended in the fact that you didn't buy the same camera as them. I have a Nikon D7100 and a lot of people who own a D7000 feel that they need to defend there choice of buying a D7000 ( arguments; I don't need 24 megapixels, you can only use top lenses on the D7100, it's expensive etc etc). Only when they walk into the borders of their system they are willing to look beyond their camera and then they drop all of their arguments against the D7100 or other camera.
And I believe that people who are fortunate enough to have a Pentax are humans and that they don't differ to other people, so that the same psychological borders are working here. Pentax has no FF to offer and there are enough borders to go FF because then they have to choose for an other brand of camera. So they have to sell everything and need a hefty amount of money to buy at least the same as what they have now. That's enough to throw up some arguments not to want a full frame camera.
But the whole 'do I need a full frame camera' is an odd discussion. When I bought my first SLR, a Canon EOS 500, there was at SLR level no other choice. All SLR where full frame, even my Asahi Pentax from the 60's is full frame. When the digital camera's where starting to get popular I didn't knew that there was a difference. That compact camera's had a different size sensor than the DSLR, because in the analogue time most of the compact camera's where simply full frame. And the fact that they have is just because of the fact that the market for a compact with a full frame (like the sony DSC-RX1) is too small to survive. Would the cost of a full frame sensor be a non-factor, the complete discussion wouldn't exist. Than every digital camera had full frame or bigger.
But I don't want to argument against a Pentax camera, in the contrary, I want one, that's why I entered the competition to win one. I don't have any digital Pentax and I am curious if I can use the lenses I have for my analogue camera's direct on the new digital one. And If I don't win one, I buy one at the end of the year, probably the K3.
A few of my camera's
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hmm I can't edit my posts, so in addition of my other post:
Oh the reason why Nikon dumps those D600's is because they are replaced in the west by D610's because of the oil problem.