Originally posted by Rondec
Beyond which, equivalence tells you nothing about why a lens like the DA 15 limited is so awesome. What equivalence tells you is that the DA 15 is a 22mm f5.6 piece of glass that full frame shooters would sneer at. The FA 77 is way over priced, since its aperture is the same as the Nikon 85mm f1.8 (both are full frame lenses, of course). But the rendering on these lenses can be magical at times and honestly, the reason why I shoot Pentax is for the glass. I would hope, if they do release a full frame camera that would produce a wide angle that was slow enough to have some of the magic of the DA 15, even if it is slow.
All true and I personally agree. Equivalence doesn't describe magic, and preference, or quality of bokeh, it just describes capability and what I call 'power'. But I hear you, that slow 15ltd on aps-c is better than my 'more powerful' 20 f/2.8 on FF in some ways, and the 77ltd is near-perfect on both formats for different reasons.
Quote: Edit: I do also wonder why you don't show some of the full frame shots that your cheap gear got you. I just think that if someone shoots a particular way in one format, they are likely to have similar photos in another format, albeit with less depth of field, I have been told.
I know you asked El Ja, but this is the type of shot I used to carry the $900
31ltd on aps-c around for, the type of casual 'normal' FOV shooting from typical distances that would capture everyday moments in a kind of magical, limited-like fast-prime way that I personally like:
It's the $285 Tamron 28-75 at f/2.8 & 44mm, almost exactly what the 31ltd would give me wide-open on aps-c. I never had this capability in a zoom on aps-c, so I always had to rely on a fast prime there. (now the new Sigma 18-35 1.8 gets you there... but with a more limited FL range and not exactly cheap or small.)
Although the DA 15ltd is preferable to me in some, maybe most ways, the 20 f/2.8 AF-D is a very nice, $300 (used) lens on FF that goes wider and brings more of that 'power' in it's extra 2+ stops:
My fave 'portrait' lens (and everything else short telephoto) is the 180 f/2.8, equiv =~ 120mm f/1.8 on aps-c - just lets me float things a bit more while retaining some sharpness a real 120 f/1.8 probably couldn't achieve wide-open, if one existed:
f/2.8 =~ 120m f/1.8
And my 'everything' lens, my 'normal' 50mm that's the ultimate, versatile workhorse, and $110 new.
just a great FOV on FF, sharp
f/1.8 =~ 33mm f/1.2
f/2.2 =~ 33mm f/1.6
f/2.8 =~ 33mm f/1.8
Lots of other examples. I always think about what could be done with the Limiteds on the same sensor, with maybe a couple new LImiteds in the bag like a new 135 f/2.8 or 20mm f/4.
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