Originally posted by Kunzite 1) Using 135 as a baseline is irrelevant for most ILC users.
Equivalence itself does not
require any baseline. Don't make the mistake of attributing that requirement to it. You know who does that? Folks who don't read the equivalence papers and understand the terms and concepts being used (<hint>).
Tony, in the video, is asking for a complete conversion (FL and aperture) instead of a partial conversion (FL only.) He's
using equivalence to show why that's advantageous to do, but his assertion is not
part of equivalence.
Regarding an equivalent baseline (which is separate from
equivalence, remember) - there absolutely has to
some, either an AOV-equivalent baseline or a FL-equivalent baseline. The fact that 135mm (FF) was chosen simply makes the most sense to most people, manufacturers and review sites, but there has to be some baseline. If there were none, how do you describe to a buyer what this FL brings you in terms of FOV?
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You say '135mm is irrelevant to most ILC users', yet ...
1) we have a very convenient end-point for formats that can easily and affordable share lenses - and that endpoint is FF. Medium format is priced out of range of 99% of shooters and can't natively mount lenses that can be shot on aps-c and FF cameras anyway.
2) 135mm SLR was in the hands of shooters who crossed the film-digital threshold, and
3) now we have FF cameras being sold new for $1600, and that's inching downward and the base is going to expand because of that. Some speculate that the majority of DSLRs sold in 10 years will be FF, with MILC taking over aps-c and m43.
So, switching the standard now doesn't make a ton of sense. That said,
it doesn't matter much if the standard does change to something like aps-c - that won't magically make the smaller formats look any better when equivalent lenses are considered, it will just make the FF lenses seem really fast and wide compared to how they were labeled before
In fact, if the 'standard' changed to aps-c, it would really shine a light on some of the advantages of FF because that equivalent relationship would be more obviously described.
Quote: 2) Focal length and aperture are the only things that can be written on interchangeable lenses.
And yet we have had P&S's in the past that had equivalent focal lengths written right on the front of the lens barrel so people don't get confused when they see something like 5mm - 25mm, we have that data being recorded in EXIF, and we have B&H and dpreview and everywhere else listing the 'equivalent focal length' when they review or list the product.
It's a logical step forward to start listing the equivalent aperture in some of those places as well. If not on the lens, then, as I said, in the reviews and product pages. It's nothing revolutionary, it's only acknowledging physics and shooting realities.
Quote: 3) Focal length is not a measure of angle of view.
No, but it directly affects AOV and will have a different AOV on different formats. I think FL != AOV is a semantic dodge in this context.
When you have a 5mm on a P&S, what does that mean to you as a photographer? Do you need to look up that sensor size each time, do the math in your head so you know what equivalent FL (AOV) you're getting? No, you don't want to have to do that? I agree! Now, let's extend that logic to aperture.
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