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06-03-2014, 12:14 PM   #31
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I think they will publish a FF camera by Photokina and I believe it will be a similar adaptation of the K-3 as the 645z:
- 24 Mb instead of 36 Mb because Pentax has been a bit more conservative about megapixels in their DSLRs
- perhaps dual processor for more speed to allow...
- 8 to 10 fps because they top others in all segments in this area, from K-50 to 645z (if I remember this right...)
- hopefully more advanced AF system with at least 40 to 50 AF points
I'm guessing the specs but I did hear a very little bird sing extremely quietly a while ago about a FF body. Of course, I can't be sure but I would bet on it. Then again, I lose al the time in my bets, so...

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QuoteOriginally posted by jppp Quote
I think they will publish a FF camera by Photokina and I believe it will be a similar adaptation of the K-3 as the 645z:
- 24 Mb instead of 36 Mb because Pentax has been a bit more conservative about megapixels in their DSLRs
- perhaps dual processor for more speed to allow...
- 8 to 10 fps because they top others in all segments in this area, from K-50 to 645z (if I remember this right...)
- hopefully more advanced AF system with at least 40 to 50 AF points
I'm guessing the specs but I did hear a very little bird sing extremely quietly a while ago about a FF body. Of course, I can't be sure but I would bet on it. Then again, I lose al the time in my bets, so...
The current hardware can handle 24MP at 8fps with a single processor. I don't think Pentax gets wild with the MPs or the speed. I think they take all of the excellent features of the K-3 and move them into a FF body. A refined FF version of the K-3 with a really big OVF is what I'm hopping for.
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Pentax DACH (Germany, Austria, Switzerland) just posted this:
.... since they compare the 645z to competitors full frame I think its clear they won't make a full frame camera. The 645z is their answer to full frame, just better than full frame.
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QuoteOriginally posted by infoomatic Quote
... since they compare the 645z to competitors full frame I think its clear they won't make a full frame camera. The 645z is their answer to full frame, just better than full frame.
An $8,500 body ($51,000 with body AND 16 lenses) is not a substitute for a $2,800 D800e (and a full suite of Nikon FF lenses).

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
An $8,500 body ($51,000 with body AND 16 lenses) is not a substitute for a $2,800 D800e (and a full suite of Nikon FF lenses).
Yep.

Maybe Ricoh really think that they can reverse the trend, from FF to MF. But until now, I've not seen a single full resolution sample from them. This could be more helpful than these advert movies, with the same phrases, repeated over and over.
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
An $8,500 body ($51,000 with body AND 16 lenses) is not a substitute for a $2,800 D800e (and a full suite of Nikon FF lenses).

If you got all the lenses for the Nikon, it'd be even more!

The 44x33 sensor would be a great differentiator, but of course a normal mirror would require a complex mechanism to fit k-mount, and the the the lenses couldn't be telecentric in k-mount.

Neither one a dealbreaker but both difficult to overcome.

But of course Pentax won't sell a $2500 camera with the same sensor as the $8500 camera.
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The price/performance gap is too big for the 645z to compete. I would love for Pentax to reduce the price of the body and lenses by 50%. Then they become a viable option.
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But until now, I've not seen a single full resolution sample from them.
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82566192 pixels
Sample Images?645Z | RICOH IMAGING

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Thanks for the link. If you know some high ISO sample, I'd like if you tell me.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Winder Quote
The price/performance gap is too big for the 645z to compete. I would love for Pentax to reduce the price of the body and lenses by 50%. Then they become a viable option.
Well gee, I'd like a silver K-3 and the three Queens for $2,500 too - but . . . . . .

Maybe $2,699 for a d-ILX.
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If you know some high ISO sample
I presume you've seen these 75% reduced pre-production 645Z samples, which include several very high ISO shots (eg ISO 12800):
Pentax 645Z Sample Images | PhotographyBLOG
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Do you all think that this is problem of the "size"?! I think that dependence on one manufacturer of sensors (SONY) is a big mistake, especially when it also produces cameras and especially when Bayer's colour filter array sensors are blind alley, just mistake. If I'm wrong so why CANON announces research and developing of new "like FOVEON" sensor technology? And finally, this clearly shows who is on right way, when it comes to image quality and not marketing bla bla...

Sharpness: the Sigma dp2 Quattro can reach the level of the Pentax 645Z

But by the way, how to demand thousands bucks for picture taken with camera for less than thousand bucks?
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QuoteOriginally posted by airbass Quote
Do you all think that this is problem of the "size"?! I think that dependence on one manufacturer of sensors (SONY) is a big mistake, especially when it also produces cameras and especially when Bayer's colour filter array sensors are blind alley, just mistake. If I'm wrong so why CANON announces research and developing of new "like FOVEON" sensor technology? And finally, this clearly shows who is on right way, when it comes to image quality and not marketing bla bla...

Sharpness: the Sigma dp2 Quattro can reach the level of the Pentax 645Z

But by the way, how to demand thousands bucks for picture taken with camera for less than thousand bucks?
If i remember well, Normhead said the DP is good at base ISO, but as Soon as you bump it, it sucks. Compare that to a sensor that has little to not noise up to 1600 ISO. Some very acceptable up to 6400. So the 645z appear far more suited for any situation.
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I presume you've seen these 75% reduced pre-production 645Z samples, which include several very high ISO shots (eg ISO 12800):
Pentax 645Z Sample Images | PhotographyBLOG
No, I've not seen it. I'm really curious how they manage the high ISO.
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No, I've not seen it. I'm really curious how they manage the high ISO.
the Jpeg engine is not really good, but it's quite promising for a good raw.
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