My apologies, I thought you said a A-400, but the FA* is not a modern lens, not as corrected as any moderne lens, has only 9 elements, has terrible CA and is only sharp stopped down, and not available, it's also pre-digital. (But you know everything about Pentax glass, so you knew that.) I was trying to keep the argument to lenses that are currently available. , so ya, you're still wrong.
Quote: It's really funny that you are slinging around words like "nonsense" when you accidentally realize that your argument didn't work and you need to compare a slow APS-C lens against a faster FF lens in order to make it work. Who's the fool here?
Actually I'm still quite impressed with my argument... funny how you can't snow a guy who understands what he's talking about. Talking about Cherry picking, where did you have to go to find the weight of an FA* 400 5.6, too funny. There's a lens that should be in every conversation.
Quote: The FF lens can actually be 1 stop slower and have equivalent depth of field. In the (reasonably fair) comparison you originally made - the Nikkor 400/5.6 - we're talking a grand total difference of 130g. That's your "APS-C advantage" right there - 1/3 of a can of soda. Or less, if you shoot the Pentax FA* version instead of a heavy old Nikkor.
Really, 40 grams when it's in favour of FF is a "fair margin " but 130 grams is "1/3 rd of a can of soda". Do you even read through your own posts to see how biased you are?
Even when you cherry pick the examples, you still don't prove FF is lighter.
Ok do us all a favour... you provide the examples. Find a typical set of lenses that a Pentax shooter would use.
Say for me, APS-c 21 ƒ3.2 ltd (140 gm), 35mm 2.4 ( 124g) 40 Xs ƒ2.8 (52 gm) , FA 50 ƒ1.8 (170 gm) , FDA*100 ƒ2.8 (340 grams) DA* 60-250 ƒ4 (1120 grams)...
Total weight 1946 grams. Total with camera 2746 grams (with battery in camera).
OK, come up with 6 equivalent Full frame lenses.. and camera , covering 30mm to 400mm, one with macro, that weighs less. Apparently it's easy.
Quote: The FF equivalent is 25% lighter than the APS-C lens if you want to look at it in relative terms. I agree that it's not a big difference in absolute weight, but it does show that FF isn't necessarily heavier. It's more the design features that determine weight. For another example - Sigma 18-35 is 805g, Sigma 24-70 weight: 790g. Again, the FF lens is lighter.
Quit your cherry picking, come up with a 6 lens system in the appropriate range that weighs less. I don't buy the narrow DoF thing, so same Aperture would be nice. The system for the widest DoF has the advantage for my works. Light for AF is more important than DoF for my work. All lenses currently available, make me a lighter FF system.
Consider it a challenge...
And please, stop making me laugh.